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Comment on Entire Mac Lineup Now Finally Starts With at Least 16GB RAM, Ending 8GB Era

dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

We use windows PCs at work as software engineers now, but when I was training I used a MacBook Pro M1 with 16GB of RAM and that thing was incredibly performant.

I know it in vogue to shit in Apple, but they build the hardware and the software and they’re incredibly efficient at what they do and I don’t think I ever saw the beachball loading icon thing.

Now the prices they charge to upgrade the RAM is something I can get behind shitting on.

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HK65@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I used Windows, Mac and Linux in the past year.

It’s not Mac that’s fast, it’s Windows that sucks hard.

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- dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Same.
  
  Mac - Fast, user friendly, and UNIX based.
  
  Windows - Fast (I have a beast), bloated, stupid command prompt (“Add-Migration”, capital letters really.), wants to spy on me.
  
  Linux - Fast, a lot of work to get everything working as you would on Windows or Mac and I’m past those days, I just want to turn the thing on and play Factorio or Minecraft, not figure out if my 4080 will run on it etc.
  
  it’s almost like people make choices to suit their needs and there isn’t a single solution for everybody.
  
  I wonder what the industry standard is for developers? Genuinely. I’ve heard it’s Max, but my company is all in on Microsoft, not really heard of companies developing on Linux. Which isn’t to say Linux doesn’t have its place, but I’m aware this place is insanely biased towards Linux.
  
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  - OhYeah@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Every place I’ve been at had developers using windows machines and then ssh into a linux environment
    
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    dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Makes sense for sysadmin or something but little sense for developers and engineers writing code to build corporate applications.
    
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  - RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    I just want to turn the thing on and play Factorio or Minecraft, not figure out if my 4080 will run on it etc.
    
    Funny that you chose two games that run natively on Linux.
    
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    A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Minecraft runs great, I dont know about factorio.
    
    but I know some native versions suck absolute ass and force you to use the windows version via proton regardless. ETS/ATS and Cities Skylines 1 being my immediate personal examples.
    
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  - kalleboo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    I wonder what the industry standard is for developers?
    
    The Stack Overflow developer survey (which has it’s bias towards people who use Stack Overflow)… says 47% use Windows, 32% use Mac, and uh, Linux is split up by distro so it’s hard to make sense of the numbers but Ubuntu alone is at 27%.
    
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    dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Thanks for this.
    
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  - qqq@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I almost never use Windows, but aren’t commands and variables in PowerShell case insensitive?
    
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    dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Maybe it’s just the Package Manager Console inside Visual Studio Professional as “add-migration” or “update-database” don’t work unless capitalised.
    
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  - HK65@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    My current Linux machine needed exactly zero config post install, and even stuff like the fingerprint reader is working, I’m using it instead of passwords in a terminal.
    
    I can also play games pretty well, it’s usually smoother and less buggy than on Windows.
    
    I feel Linux is not a compromise for me anymore, Windows is fast becoming one though.
    
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    dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    What distro would you recommend, I’m prepared to try over the weekend.
    
    How does it work with GPU drivers for a GeForce RTX 4080?
    
    Anything else I need to be aware of
    
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independantiste@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The chip and OS won’t do shit when your ram is saturated by electron apps taking 800MB each. Maybe MacOS behaves better under very high memory pressure than windows does, but it doesn’t mean it’s okay to rip off consumers

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- Sh0ckw4ve@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Haha no MacOs is not better performing under very high memory pressure. Rip me working on a macbook air.
  
  I have to make sure not to run too many things at once…
  
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  - independantiste@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Now that I think of it yeah, my work mac simply shows a popup telling me to kill an app. It just doesn’t deal with high mem pressure lol
    
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rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You can use Linux with RAM compression to have the same kind of economy that MacOS does.

Just nobody bothers.

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JDPoZ@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

I know it’s in vogue to shit on Apple…

Apple does have a lot of vertical integration which allows first party stuff to function well and they work closely with a lot of their premium 3rd party software partners, but you try running an actual RAM hungry process like a local LLM model, for example, and all but the highest end latest edition MacBook Pro WILL shit the bed.

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