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• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  None of those say it is good

  Huh?

  He said it’s a shame that paedophilia is outlawed and that it was narrow-mindedness that made it so.

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  • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    First of all, none of those things are saying its good.

    Ask yourself this:

    A man has been publicly championing raping children for decades. Publicly. He firmly believes he should have the right to fuck children.

    I think you need to be more realistic about who he and others are and try to understand why they have the beliefs they do, a lot of them are differences in personal and social awareness/ability. An analogy(I know you struggle with these, sorry its just the way I communicate and explain my thoughts), but would you look at someone with dyslexia and use them struggling with reading as an excuse to completely invalidated their opinions and views on everything else?

    Stallman has deeply ideological beliefs, one of them being radical freedom of choice. He looked at pedophilia through that, because that’s what his conception of the world(and therefore ability to perceive it) allows. To be totally blunt I think its an “autistic” struggling with understanding the feelings of others(that many on here and Reddit also have) that lead to him focusing on his ideological perspective. I think he “put himself in the shoes” of kids, and thought, “I want to be able to engage in consensual relationships” he didn’t consider that not everyone is him, or how he would feel in circumstances different from ones he’s experienced. This combined with his ideological conviction made him fail to understand how kids lack an ability to consent.

    If he really apologized to keep his job, I don’t know. But he has and continues to say deeply controversial things that cost him opportunities. He also still leads Gnu and FSF. I think its possible he just was upset about the situation, talked to someone he trusts about why people are responding this way, and they explained it in a way he could understand and he changed his mind.

    How you just equated raping a child and drinking a glass of wine is beyond me. Wow.

    I did not equate them. But also don’t underestimate the damage alcohol has had on the world. Child rape is bad, I have never denied that.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      He literally says it’s bad that child rape is illegal, then goes on about how if you’re against it you’re a bigot. In what world is that not him saying it’s good?

      Saying you believe his is autistic is a disgusting defence. Being autistic doesn’t excuse believing it’s a good thing to have sex with children. Autistic people don’t believe that.

      I did not equate them. But also don’t underestimate the damage alcohol has had on the world.

      Yes you did equate them.

      Having a glass of wine and pinning down your toddler and fucking him are NOT the same. Jesus Christ.

      Child rape is bad, I have never denied that.

      And Stallman doesn’t think the same. He thinks it’s good.

      And yeah. You think it’s as bad as sipping a pint of ale…

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      • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        He literally says it’s bad that child rape is illegal, then goes on about how if you’re against it you’re a bigot. In what world is that not him saying it’s good?

        Because they’re different things? Again this is why I said the analogy. Saying prohibition of alcohol is bad is different from saying alcohol is good. That’s not equating alcohol and pedos, its an analogy on how saying something is good is different from saying it shouldn’t be illegal.

        Saying you believe his is autistic is a disgusting defence. Being autistic doesn’t excuse believing it’s a good thing to have sex with children.

        Its an explanation of why I think he might have had an opinion I think is disgusting. The defense is that he admitted he was wrong and apologized. Having a wrong belief isn’t a crime, he didn’t rape any kids, so he doesn’t have anything to be “punished” for. And being wrong in the past about ethics is completely different from beliefs on free software- and you know that. You’re just using it as an ad hominem.

        Autistic people don’t believe that.

        What? There are plenty of autistic people that have a wide variety of beliefs

        Yes you did equate them.

        Having a glass of wine and pinning down your toddler and fucking him are NOT the same. Jesus Christ.

        No I didn’t, stop lying about me. Analogy is not equating, I have no clue why this has to be explained.

        And Stallman doesn’t think the same. He thinks it’s good.

        He did not say its good, and he does now think the same as he said.

        And yeah. You think it’s as bad as sipping a pint of ale…

        I am tempted to think you’re trolling seeing as you’re ignoring what I actually wrote and instead just going for cheap attacks. Please stop engaging in bad faith.

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