Comment on Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 day agoNobody got banned. They were removed from their positions as maintainers, because they work for a sanctioned company.
Please stop being purposely misleading.
They can still contribute to their heart’s content. They just can’t submit patches with no oversight, because they are close to the Russian government, who, I don’t know if you’ve realised, has invaded their neighbour and is currently committing genocide.
aidan@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Yep I knew that, no clue why I wrote that, sometimes I should probably proofread.
But again, employees of non-Russian sanctioned companies were not removed.
I am not, it was genuine slip of the finger? Idk, but if you check my profile there are plenty of examples where I omitted or said the wrong word, I really should proof read more rather- though that would ruin the fun. Stop assuming malice when someone has a different opinion from you and makes a mistake.
There is still oversight, plenty of people read every merged commit.
I’ve never seen anything to support this.
Invaded yes, genocide I have no clue what really is happening in Ukraine, but I would say it doesn’t look like a genocide. War is bad, killing is bad, but genocide is a specific thing, and this feels a lot like just adding a word to make it sound more bad. The invasion is bad enough.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
You’re getting little in the way of benefit of the doubt because you’re repeatedly trying to make Russia look good and misleading about this.
11 maintainers from sanctioned Russian companies were removed from their position where they could submit patches without any approval required.
Even if there weren’t sanctions, it would be good to make that move. Russia could easily utilise these people to introduce insecurities. We do not need another xz utils disaster.
Yes, Russia is committing genocide as the UN defines it. Stop trying to minimise what they’re doing. Genocide. Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine.
Genocide: “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”
Putin has been leveling entire cities. He said Ukraine isn’t a real country with a real culture. He has been abducting children and bringing them into Russia so they grow up as Russians. He has been altering signs, maps, etc to erase Ukrainian names.
That is genocide.
aidan@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Never did either of those things.
Why are you lying? I did not equate them, and you know that. I analogized. If I say a sad movie “hit me like a truck” does that mean I’m equating it, or even saying its close? No, its an analogy.
My understanding is this is not true. My understanding is they are pushed to
linux-nextwhere people test and review them, and are eventually merged into the main branch after Linus reviews them, though I agree those patches are probably not reviewed as thoroughly, but there is still an approval process. My understanding is no one other than Linus can push directly tomain.Linux is not xz, each change has weeks before introduction and is much more looked at. Furthermore, the core thing, Jia Tan wasn’t a real person- these maintainers are real people. If you’re going to do a backdoor there still could be pseudonymous maintainers and contributors, those that show their face are more trust worthy. They’re at least risking losing their real names reputation.
I’m not, stop insulting me. Nothing I said minimized it in any way.
I think this definition is not specific enough. I would not consider ‘cultural genocide’ genocide. Genocide is the systematic slaughter of nearly everyone of a specific group with the intent to kill nearly everyone in that group. It is not the banning of a religion to destroy that religion or as China and some other countries have tried to do- encouraging or forcing reproduction with a certain ethnic group to ‘dilute the blood’. It is also not banning or repressing a language. That doesn’t mean those things aren’t ‘cultural genocide’, just that ‘cultural genocide’ and genocide are different things. To be honest, I’m not sure how to classify forced sterilization.
This itself doesn’t mean its a genocide, war crime and massacre yes of course.
Yes to the first, the second though do you have a source for? (Though I would support that if he applied the same to Russian ‘culture’ but I don’t think he does sadly)
Systemic cultural repression is bad, taking orphaned kids from their close family is bad. Adopting orphaned children itself is not itself bad, just like an American adopting a baby born in China isn’t cultural repression for them to be assimilated into American ‘culture’. I don’t know how much of it is former, and how much is the latter, but it seems like it leans towards the former rather than the latter- but there are also cases where its the latter.
Okay?
The reason I am hesitant to agree with the claim of genocide is that there are still plenty of ethnic Ukrainians living in Russian occupied territories, and they are being oppressed(even more so than others in Russian territory) but they still exist. One example, my grandma was born in Nazi occupied Czech Republic, called then on her birth certificate the “Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia”. Czechoslovak resistance assassinated the Nazi governor of the protectorate, an in revenge that Nazis killed all the adults in the town of Ležáky and in Lidice all the men and many women and children were slaughtered. This was a horrific atrocity, but I do not believe it was a genocide of Czechs because for the most part ethnic Czechs were able to live, oppressed, but still allowed to live. It would be fair to say it was a genocide of the people of Ležáky but I don’t think that counts as a “national, ethnical, racial or religious group”
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Yes you did.
Yes you did.
Your understanding could be that 2+2=5, but that does not make it so.
That is impossible to do for the thousands of patches that get applied. Which is why maintainers have to be trusted. Ones working for sanctioned Russian companies cannot be.
Do you think Russia cares about that? They’re happily conscripting young men into war. If they tell a maintainer to introduce a vulnerability otherwise their family will be killed, do you really think they’ll say “No. My name will then be tarnished in the Linux circle! I’d rather let myself and my family die than let that happen!”
How convenient 🇷🇺. Regardless, that is the definition.
I didn’t say it alone did. I said it as part of a bunch of other things.
Go look it up yourself, sealion. It won’t take you long.
Regardless, it’s another point in the genocide column.
Of fuck off you genocide denialist.
Forcible mass abduction of children with the specific intent of destroying Ukrainian culture is not the same as a family adopting a child who happened to have been born in another country.
What the fuck is that equivalence? This is like your “child rape and drinking alcohol are both bad, but I don’t think the state should have the right to ban them” bullshit all over again.
How could you be defending something like that. Christ. Nazis did this.
I see the blatant attempt at destroying all Ukrainian culture (i.e. committing genocide) means nothing to you.