Comment on Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers

• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You are mistaken:

  “The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, ‘prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia’ also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally–but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.”

  RMS on June 28th, 2003

  "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing. "

  RMS on June 5th, 2006

  "There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.

  RMS on Jan 4th, 2013

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  • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    None of those say it is good. I disagree with him, he also disagrees with him and apologized for saying that. But that is very different from saying its good. I don’t think alcohol is good, I also don’t think it should be illegal.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      None of those say it is good

      Huh?

      He said it’s a shame that paedophilia is outlawed and that it was narrow-mindedness that made it so.

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      • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        First of all, none of those things are saying its good.

        Ask yourself this:

        A man has been publicly championing raping children for decades. Publicly. He firmly believes he should have the right to fuck children.

        I think you need to be more realistic about who he and others are and try to understand why they have the beliefs they do, a lot of them are differences in personal and social awareness/ability. An analogy(I know you struggle with these, sorry its just the way I communicate and explain my thoughts), but would you look at someone with dyslexia and use them struggling with reading as an excuse to completely invalidated their opinions and views on everything else?

        Stallman has deeply ideological beliefs, one of them being radical freedom of choice. He looked at pedophilia through that, because that’s what his conception of the world(and therefore ability to perceive it) allows. To be totally blunt I think its an “autistic” struggling with understanding the feelings of others(that many on here and Reddit also have) that lead to him focusing on his ideological perspective. I think he “put himself in the shoes” of kids, and thought, “I want to be able to engage in consensual relationships” he didn’t consider that not everyone is him, or how he would feel in circumstances different from ones he’s experienced. This combined with his ideological conviction made him fail to understand how kids lack an ability to consent.

        If he really apologized to keep his job, I don’t know. But he has and continues to say deeply controversial things that cost him opportunities. He also still leads Gnu and FSF. I think its possible he just was upset about the situation, talked to someone he trusts about why people are responding this way, and they explained it in a way he could understand and he changed his mind.

        How you just equated raping a child and drinking a glass of wine is beyond me. Wow.

        I did not equate them. But also don’t underestimate the damage alcohol has had on the world. Child rape is bad, I have never denied that.

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