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TriflingToad@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• khannie@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It needs a comma.

  All the good faith I had had, had had no effect.

  Essentially “all the food faith I previously had, didn’t have any effect”.

  Good God English is an awful language.

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  • Classy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m pretty sure it is grammatically correct with no comma. The version you provided is a comma splice.

    To slightly change the tense, *All the good faith that I had had no effect" is grammatically correct with no comma, so the gerund form should also not need a comma.

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    • khannie@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Perhaps. Regardless it’s outlandish abuse of the tongue IMO and definitely would benefit from the comma because nobody’s going to just bang out 4 had’s in a row in speech without a pause without a justifiable slap across the chops and possibly a challenge to a duel.

      “But your honour, he said ‘had’ four times in the trot without pause”

      “Case dismissed”

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  • TriflingToad@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ah that makes sense, thanks!

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    • khannie@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re welcome. :) Took me a minute tbh. Not sure if the wine I’ve had helped or hindered. It’s 2:30am here.

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  • abbadon420@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It doesn’t need a comma, it needs restructuring. When phrasing it like this, it is customary to add a comma between two adjacent verbs. You could even argue that the first part is an introductory phrase, which would explain the comma too.

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  • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    no it’s not. you can find quirks like this in every language.

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    • khannie@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      True enough but I feel like English has more quirks than other languages though I acknowledge that may be bias.

      I used to have near fluent Irish way back when and I don’t recall any shenanigans like this (again I acknowledge I may not have been presented with them). I feel like most other languages have a more clearly defined set of pronunciation rules too.

      Irish looks horrific (Siobhán is shiv-awn for example) but very very closely follows pronunciation rules so that pronunciation would be no surprise to a native reading it for the first time. English sure as fuck does not follow rules like that.

      Near. Neat. Book. Boot. Etc.

      (Some small subset of Irish folks do say “boo-k” though)

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      • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        maybe I should have clarified: not every language has quirks in the same ways. German has weird articles that make no sense. French has different pluralization rules for up to four objects

        But even of you just want to think about writing: German makes super long words that look monstrous by mushing words together. French doesn’t pronounce half the letters in its spelling. Arabic doesn’t really have vowels but instead uses diacritics that are often omitted so you have to be really familiar with the language to read at all.

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  • chicagohuman@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why was your food faith no good?

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• iSeth@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “…did have, did have…”

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