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Another_earthling@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• actionjbone@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  My cats eat a diet almost entirely of delicious, delicious meat.

  None of it is made of cats.

  Nor do I eat cat meat.

  There’s nothing wrong with being omnivorous as long as you’re ethical about it.

  There’s also nothing wrong with veganism as long as you’re ethical about it.

  I draw the line at cannibalism, though. Way too easy to spread human pathogens that way.

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  • Another_earthling@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    What? You don’t eat cats, okay. But what’s the point?

    There is nothing wrong with being an omnivore lol. Sure, it’s just what you are. Does being an omnivore mean you HAVE TO eat meat or do you think that the scientific consensus might be that we don’t have to?

    And if we don’t have to, what’s the main reason why you still eat it? Taste? Personal pleasure? Do you think that this is a good justification for harming other individuals?

    You can’t be ethical about “killing individuals that don’t want to die for trivial reasons like taste pleasure” which might sound a bit overexaggerated at first, however if you look it up and find out that you don’t have to eat any meat, you’ll see that it’s exactly that. It’s not ethical.

    Test if by changing the situation while you keep the logic. Tell me where personal sensory pleasure is a legit justification to bring harm or death upon individuals

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    • actionjbone@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      An omnivore is predisposed to eat anything. Absent synthetic food processing? Yes, an omnivore must eat both meat and plants.

      Humans are the only species (that we know of) who chooses whether or not to eat something based on a system of ethics. But at the same time, most of the world doesn’t have the privilege to decide whether or not to eat only specific things. In parts of the world, if you don’t eat meat, you don’t eat. In other parts of the world, if you don’t eat plants, you don’t eat. It’s simply nature.

      I don’t criticize your reasons for not eating meat. And I don’t criticize your perspectives and responses to me, because I understand your viewpoint. But if you think your arguments are novel to me, you’re wrong. And if you think I eat meat only for flavor, you’re also wrong.

      All that said, Americans do eat way too much meat. We need to reduce the amount of animal protein we take in - not because of ethics, but because it’s unhealthy too overindulge. Similarly, we need to reduce the amount of sugar we take in.

      Reality is complicated. I don’t deal in absolutes.

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      • Another_earthling@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        An omnivore is predisposed to eat anything. Absent synthetic food processing? Yes, an omnivore must eat both meat and plants.

        No. That is just plain wrong. By the same logic, you are predisposed to rape when you have a penis. Saying that an omnivore must eat both (meat and plants) is unscientific. I gave you the hint that there is something like scientific consensus about this topic, but you still refuse to open your mind about this topic and look for some facts. That’s sad

        But at the same time, most of the world doesn’t have the privilege to decide whether or not to eat only specific things

        Why do you talk about the world now? Did I say everybody has to eat plant based? No. I just pointed out how it’s unethical to pay for innocent beings to suffer and die when the only reason you have is “I like meat, it tastes good” (while there are definitly thousand plant based dishes with the same taste experience available, easily)

        It’s simply nature.

        Appeal to nature fallacy

        I don’t criticize your reasons for not eating meat.

        You don’t criticize that I refuse to pay for innocent animals to suffer and die without any necessity? Why would you? Or do you state this, just so you can say “so don’t criticize my way”, because that would make no sense

        But if you think your arguments are novel to me, you’re wrong. And if you think I eat meat only for flavor, you’re also wrong.

        I don’t care about if they’re novel to you. You fail to explain how it’s justifyable to pay for animals to suffer and die. You want to claim there is a necessity? You fail to give one

        Don’t get me wrong, it’s not about you. I don’t care about you and your choices. However, you responded here saying “There’s nothing wrong with being omnivorous as long as you’re ethical about it.” which is simply absurd, so now we kind of have to go down this road.

        We need to reduce the amount of animal protein we take in - not because of ethics, but because it’s unhealthy to overindulge. So you can’t justify the suffering and death of these innocent animals, therefore you just pretend that there is no ethical conflict?

        Reality is complicated. I don’t deal in absolutes.

        Reality in regard to this isn’t complicated. Go and watch dominion, then come back and tell me the reason why those animals deserve that, even though there is no actual necessity for that

        No, it’s really simple. There were no absolutes in this discussion.

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      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Only a sith deals in absolutes.

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  • Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    If you kill a sentient being for pleasure against its will, there is nothing that could make it ethical.

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    • Another_earthling@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Downvoting this guy for stating this simple fact won’t change the fact.

      It’s like throwing a middle finge at a person in a discussion where the other person tells you a simple truth that you just don’t like. So why do it here? It’s infantil. Just go into a nice discussion

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      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Tangential, agenda-ridden, off-topic.

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    • actionjbone@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That statement is untrue, because many different sets of ethics disagree with you.

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    • antonamo@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Whats your standpoint on a vegetarian diet?

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      • actionjbone@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        “I’m not vegan because I love animals. I’m vegan because I hate plants.”

        -SMBC, I think

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• Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I struggle with this all the time. I hate watching cute piggy videos because I remember them next time I eat bacon.

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  • Another_earthling@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Well, why not start with gradual changes?

    If you feel bad, you already made the first step: listening to yourself because you already realised how wrong it is.

    If you need motivation, watch dominion. I think it’s fair to say that people should have footage like that in the back of their mind when they want to enjoy animal products.

    You might not believe me, but changing things like your diet to be free of any animal cruelty feels fucking great, and it just takes a certain amount of time to learn new recipes and then it’s just easy going.

    I can help you with whatever you struggle with if you ever need some help

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    • Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Thanks, I probably will change soon, but I have to convince my partner first…

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