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Comment on Amazon tech workers leaving for other jobs in response to return to office mandate

If Amazon don’t think that remote work is productive, then they don’t think they’re losing anything. I don’t even know how “stealth” this is at all. They must believe that those individuals could be productive, because they are trying to keep them working in office. I’m not sure why anyone thinks a company like Amazon would try to be “stealth” about a layoff anyway. They don’t need to.

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Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
You don’t have to fund severance if people leave on their own.

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- sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  And returning to the office probably doesn’t count as an unreasonable change to the agreement, so you probably won’t win if you sue, and the unemployment office probably won’t help.
  
  So yeah, sucks all around.
  
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zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
So they don’t have to pay severance or other state penalties for doing an actual layoff. They aren’t thinking of talent with this move.

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- sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Yeah, I think they want to reduce headcount, and this is the cheapest way to do it. I’m guessing they’re getting some flack for investing so much in AI w/o enough return to justify it, so they’re culling a lot of the workforce to juice the numbers a bit until that investment starts to make sense.
  
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- scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  I find that unconvincing. That they will give up all control in order to save what is ultimately a small amount of money. Paying severance to cut people is already a way to save and reduce budgets. To say they will give up control and take real risks with who they lose just to avoid a piddling 2 months salary per head… it doesn’t add up.
  
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  - zbyte64@awful.systems ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    They’re giving up control by exercising control?
    
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    scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    They’re giving up control over exactly who leaves. When you do a layoff you can choose to cut your lowest performers or most overpaid employees or everyone in a small office which you can then close.
    
    These hypothesized “soft layoffs” where they supposedly encourage people to leave give them no real control over how many people leave, which ones leave, etc. And it’s the top employees generally who have the best options elsewhere. So you’re really inviting a brain drain by putting broad pressure on everyone to quit.
    
    It’s just not a smart move. I think we have a lot of armchair CEOs here who think a company would just suck up all these downside to save on a little severance and that doesn’t add up for me.
    
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Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
I am pretty sure working from home has proven to be more productive, so I think other factors are at play here. I worry that returning to the office might be the only way to keep the capitalists from trying to send our jobs over to poorer nations. If the tapeworms think the job needs to be done face to face then it is much hardet to send those jobs to India or S. America.

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- WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  They’ve already tried to send all the jobs they can to India or South America. It ultimately didn’t work. They can send some, but the language and cultural barriers, plus the difficulty of assessing quality candidates just doesn’t make it viable at scale. They’ve already tried that game and it failed.
  
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