It’s not an either or. It’s _if it’s free, you’re the product _. That’s it. It’s not saying anything about if you pay for it.
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joshcodes@programming.dev 1 month agoThis just doesn’t hold up in 2024. BMW charge you 60k for a vehicle and chuck a subscription on top. Apple, Google and Samsung charge between hundreds and thousands for their phones and advertise with their own agencies. Amazon forces paying customers to wade through bullshit products to finally buy the one they want, customers who bought prime and who didn’t.
Everyone is the product even if you pay. Stop saying this please.
tyler@programming.dev 1 month ago
gjoel@programming.dev 1 month ago
So it’s misdirection. It should be “You’re the product”. Free or not doesn’t matter.
joshcodes@programming.dev 1 month ago
Mate. Everyone is the product. Everyone’s attention is being paid for. Every service is collecting your data. Everyone wants your screen time and is happy to pay for it.
“If it’s free you are the product” has been drilled into us to accept the bullshit of Facebook, Google and the rest. Get it in your head now: you are the product, always. Unconditionally. No exceptions.
tyler@programming.dev 1 month ago
You’re literally using a service there that isn’t the case for.
daddy32@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Sorry, but that’s irrelevant to “if it’s free…” implication. Those are just unrelated ways companies made suckers out of their customers.
joshcodes@programming.dev 1 month ago
Hey mate, so this comment is just not productive. I’m going to be a little hyperbolic here: if everyone alive is being advertised to then your “unrelated ways companies making suckers out of their customers” comment isn’t correct or honest. It’s the norm, everyones going through it is totally related.
I talked about companies that lock you into their ecosystems and force you to have a stake in their business model. They do this for two reasons: you make money and they want it, and if you spend your money elsewhere they don’t get it. Name one phone manufacturer that isn’t stealing your data. Name one social media app that isn’t spyware. Name one online store, review site or fucking cooking blog that isn’t loaded with ad trackers and cursor monitoring shit that tells you to subscribe as soon as you go to close the tab.
Sure some smaller examples exist (I love lemmy, this place is awesome), sure I can download a free open source os, or just install an:
Adblocker User agent spoofer Anti track-sender Set my browser to stop allowing targeted ads or download a privacy browser
but everyone is still stuck using the other products in some capacity just the same. I’m happy for you if you fall outside this, seriously. However, most people do not. We are stuck and it’s because we got prayed upon. So yeah, everyone is the product. Always. No exceptions.