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• xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Moderation is when you take down material because the recipient doesn’t want to see it. Censorship is when you take down content because you don’t want the recipient to see it, regardless of how the recipient feels about it. [vintermann, Hacker News]

  — a comment on Hacker News

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  • mke@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    — vintermann, Hacker News

    I don’t know who this person is, but adding “Hacker News” doesn’t give their words more credibility. It gives them less, if anything.

    Imagine quoted someone and, underneath it, added:

    — PM_ME_UR_FEET, Reddit

    Both of these enjoy the same level of base, intrinsic trust to me: none.

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    • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not citing the author to add credibility, just to give credit.

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      • mke@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And I’m saying you’re better off without. That sentence is ridiculous enough already, it doesn’t need the source to make it worse. But good on you for worrying about credit, do as you will.

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Depends on what you get moderated for. I once posted a question about trans people and I got banned from some Lemmy.ml community because they thought I was trolling them. I wasn’t.

  It’s just sometimes hard for moderators to know what kind of person they are dealing with. But someone’s posting history is usually enough to see if they are trolling or not.

  Also what is trolling. It’s supposed to mean that you intentionally upset people for fun. How can anyone know if it’s intentionally or not. To some people, asking a question is trolling because they don’t see why anyone would ask that if they didn’t try to upset people.

  So… It’s interesting.

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My point is that the word censorship carries a connotation of trying to suppress certain types of speech. While that may be true in some cases, for the most part if I get moderated it’s for an opinion I can understand or disagree with. In either case it’s an opinion. I’m not a victim. On some instances though, yeah censorship is kind of a thing. On .ml, anything seen as not extremely left wing gets deleted or banned, and that’s bad. But I can just avoid that shitty instance. No one owes me the “right” to be heard in every context.

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    • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The thing is, i think social media today has created a lot of censorship out of necessity. There are people out there who just aren’t mature or intelligent enough to have a conversation without insulting or pushing people down.

      And because of they, we all suffer. We get over-moderated, we get called trolls etc.

      I think I would like a platform where people actually have to act like adults. But that’s hard. Hacker news have kind of made it, but they are also well known for not being open minded at all.

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