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JustARaccoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

Well a big problem is when a UI has a small learning curve that then gives a huge benefit in usability, letting the user decide based on their feelings might lead to them having a worse off experience in the end, is that something you’d be open to getting people complaining about not finding their options day and night while they stubbornly avoid the ribbon?

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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
Sure. If they prefer to not use the ribbon, UX have two options:

advertise the ribbon better

improve the non-ribbon UX

Eliminating the non-ribbon UX is more likely to alienate those users than to actually improve anything.
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- JustARaccoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  But the ribbon is the improvement over the non-ribbon UX. There’s just no pleasing some people who don’t want anything to change, even if they’re currently struggling to use all the tools they have available and they’ve stockholmed themselves into learning workarounds. Someone else posted about how before the ribbon, when asked for features to add, people asked for features that they already had access to, but didn’t know about it
  
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  - sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    It’s really not though. The ribbon:
    
    takes up way more space
    
    essentially hides features I actually use
    
    can change depending on context, which is jarring for a new user
    
    And that’s why there should be two options, just like LibreOffice has done. Have a simpler UX for new users, perhaps based on a ribbon UI, and leave the more compact UX for power users. The problem isn’t that the ribbon sucks innately, it’s just that it’s not ideal for power users.
    
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    JustARaccoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    It’s about the same size as the before screenshot if you added one more toolbar, except you have better groupings
    
    you can customize it, if you find features you frequently use are in hard to reach spaces. I doubt it actually fully hides the thing, and they’ve also majorly improved the search at the same time as they deployed the ribbon so you can use that as backup. It’s not like features weren’t hidden before anyway, you just didn’t use them yourself at the time to notice.
    
    you mean the extra tabs it can get? It never fully changes everything afaik, just get a few more tabs that are otherwise not needed.
    
    I simply dislike the connection that clean modern design is for noobs and power users just need a list and that’s it. It’s not like the design is made without consulting or taking in data from advanced users, and if you’re truly a power user you can customise it and make it your own. No, I believe that’s just stubbornness to trying something new, or lack of openness to do so when it’s not a priority to evolve your workflow, you simply want to get from A to B. Feel free to correct me, but tight compact layouts aren’t inherently power user friendly, just as padded grouped layouts aren’t inherently anti-power user
    
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