Comment on Google Serves AI Slop as Top Result for One of the Most Famous Paintings in History

• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It’s just a painting, it’s not exactly science or history or philosophy or any knowledge that can extend one’s horizons, it’s more about a choice of mobile wallpaper, and I’m not enough of a consoomer to care about that.

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  • kat_angstrom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Expanding ones horizons absolutely does and should include art history, which is a part of human history.

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    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Meh. Art history - sure! Books, writing, films, music.

      Paintings though are a bit more dodgy. Most of the ‘classical’ paintings (in the renaissance and baroque periods) were created through a system of patronage by monarchs, if not for a selfish ego-boost of endless royal portraiture, then as a strategic move to enhance the prestige of the monarchy to it’s neighbours.

      Of course, music is often guilty of this too. Bach’s famous struggles with securing patronage for instance, but due to its more abstract nature, it is probably a better source of information about the author than a painting about the painter.

      It will hardly inform you of what the people or the world was like at the time, but rather what the monarchs wanted to project, which of course is helpful too for understanding the political situation at the time, but it’s hardly an efficient way to acquire that information, nor do the ideas gained from such exploration likely to lead to concrete conclusions.

      Kind of like judging a people by their government’s propaganda department commissions.

      What is interesting though is the fact that AI art, and the LAION-5B dataset used to train the models is a true and earnest reflection of sorts of what images today really are, from works of art to private commissions for furries etc to plain stock photos and other corporate graphics.

      It’s an interesting reality check to compare the kinds of images your mind conjures connected to an idea and the kinds of images stable diffusion produces instead, it’s revealing of one’s biases in a very unique way.

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      • kat_angstrom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        While your points about the patronage system and its weaknesses are valid, you’re writing off several centuries worth of legitimate human endeavor because the systems that enabled it were dodgy. Guess what though? That’s literally all of history, dodgy AF, featuring an intrepid cast of characters more awful the deeper you look. That doesn’t make the art or music worth writing off though.

        But honestly:

        What is interesting though is the fact that AI art, and the LAION-5B dataset used to train the models is a true and earnest reflection of sorts of what images today really are

        “Earnest” is definitely not the word you’re looking for. Derivative, maybe, because you said it yourself, they’re reflections; and as such, they’re going to reflect what images of today are; like you said. That makes them derivative, and I feel a vast artificiality that makes my heart sink when I look at the vast majority of them.

        Choosing machine-created art over historical art is choosing a passing fad over centuries of culture. It’s your right; but to write off history with a wave of the hand means you’re missing out on truly expanding your horizons.

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  • PrivacyDingus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    it’s pretty rich in history as a lot of famous (and not-so-famous) art can be; it tells you a lot about the people living during a period, what they thought about the world, how power worked etc.

    this is a very dismissive take on this form of art as a whole, and is the kind which really does help the techbros who think that this kind of work and effort could simple be replaced by machines

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    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Eh, I generally prefer paintings generated by an AI most of the time.

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  • mriormro@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Truly, you are an idiot.

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    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No u

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  • Hydra_Fk@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    By “expanding ones horizons”, do you literally mean increasing your wallet size? This is a very musk brained comment.

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    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Huh? I don’t think Philosophy or History as I nentioned expands your wallet size, dafuxk?

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