Comment on Virgin Media Warns UK Broadband Users Not to Switch Routers Off at Night - ISPreview UK

• ulterno@lemmy.kde.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  you’re not supposed to get this kind of information from your ISP

  Wait, do you mean, it’s illegal to ask for it?

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  • mbirth@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Not illegal, but the ISPs are seemingly under no obligation to give you those details. In Germany, there’s the “freedom of routers” embedded in the telco law. So they HAVE to give you everything you need to get your custom router online via their wire/fibre.

    Bridge mode is just using the ISPs router and bridge that into your router. It’s not the same - you still need the ISP’s access device instead of just yours.

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    • ulterno@lemmy.kde.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Not illegal, but the ISPs are seemingly under no obligation to give you those details. In Germany, there’s the “freedom of routers” embedded in the telco law. So they HAVE to give you everything you need to get your custom router online via their wire/fibre.

      OIC, so, same as here. Germany seems to be having pretty well made laws in these cases.

      Bridge mode is just using the ISPs router and bridge that into your router. It’s not the same - you still need the ISP’s access device instead of just yours.

      Except that it is a layer 2 bridge and I couldn’t connect to the network directly, either way, because their line is copper ^[Image] and consumer routers/modems are usually RJ45/RJ11.

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      • mbirth@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        See, in Germany you can buy your own cable modem or fibre endpoint and connect that to the copper wire/fibre line.

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• catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Most providers in the US allow it too. It’s great that Germany has it enshrined in law, but in practice it’s not the exception.

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  • cybersandwich@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s been allowed everywhere I have ever lived in the US.

    The issues you’ll run into is they get all stupid about it if your service ever goes down. They’ll always blame your router/modem first. (Literally the entire neighborhood could be down and they’ll act like it’s something specific to your device). Sometimes they try to charge an install fee or a connection fee or other dumb shit.

    I think their are local laws that require them to allow byod too. It depends on your area though.

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• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Here is literally no different.

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• GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s only Virgin Media to my knowledge who does this.
  Most of the other providers are happy for you to use anything that works properly for VDSL or FTTP.

  Most FTTP providers fit an ONT that puts the connection back into an RJ45 ethernet connector.
  Then you connect to the provider using PPPOE. Anything past the ONT, you can do whatever you like.

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