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raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Got a source other than “Germany” wanted to switch to Linux? The only thing I am aware of is the city of Munich switching for a couple of years, which went fine, but then a new mayor from the conservative shitheads who has about as much clue of technology as a towel probably rolled it all back to Windows.

What is “Debian, instead of Ubuntu” supposed to imply? Ubuntu is a piece of shit ever since canonical ramped up the enshittification, first with desktop search expressions being default-forwarded to canonical servers, and then with snap repositories under control of the corporation.

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jesterraiin@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

What is “Debian, instead of Ubuntu” supposed to imply?

That we’re discussing the topic older than a decade ago, when things were wildly different to how they are now.

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I don’t store bookmarks for that old events. Feel free to consult Google for that…

govtech.com/…/german-government-goes-linux.html

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- raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  wow - 2002ish - okay, that really went by me at the time, I was still running on Windows (2000) myself back then, maybe that’s why. Indeed - back then, it was a wholly different story about HW support. Thanks for the link!
  
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  - jesterraiin@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Noprob.
    
    From what I gather, there were similar projects in the past attempted by great many deal of bodies and organizations. Some were quite successful. For example,CERN used and supported CENTOS-based computers and allowed Windows machines but on the “you care of this crap on your own” basis.
    
    As far as I can tell, the most important challenges were:
    
    hardware compatibility (it’s easy to bypass, but it isn’t cheap)
    
    support (you can’t rely on “Google it” approach when serious business is involved, there absolutely has to be experienced technician team available on-site)
    
    Linux/FOSS office applications are shit and pain in the ass to work with (unless the movement at large won’t acknowledge this problem, nothing will change - Linux won’t enter mainstream)
    
    government and other official organizations force document filetypes and build official apps that won’t run good in Linux - funnily enough they won’t even work well on Windows machines all the time (this is really hard to bypass)
    
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    raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    luckily the relevant points have been solved in the past 20 years
    
    linux native hardware support is way better than windows for 99% of chipsets out there
    
    libreoffice is very advanced and way better than ms office by now (although MS office has been enshittified ever since XP)
    
    In terms of support, however, competent Linux support on site is a lot more feasible than competent windows support. Most organisations nowadays hire braindead morons for IT support & IT management, and then use Microsoft cloud / Office 365 services, and for any ticket the dumb mtherfckers in house can’t solve, they open a ticket at microsoft. And if that isn’t addressed, the user is shit outta luck.
    
    I have seen the same dumb and stubborn idiots in corporate IT first level (and second level) support across most major organisations whose core business is not IT, because - especially engineering - CEOs tend to think “IT is just enabling our “actual” work, so let’s give the controllers authority to procure IT services from a contractor”.
    
    Oh, and yes, that’s a lot of frustration speaking from my choice of words :)
    
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FidiFadi@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Debian 12 out for less than three months and people imagine that stable Debian was good with hardware :/.

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