Comment on Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?

• SARGE@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  They’re getting there, but so far it’s only a few users that I’ve noticed.

  One guy seems to be following me around to attempt mockery.

  They’re very much getting to “everyone who isn’t farther left than me is a right-wing nazi” mentality.

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  • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    They aren’t even really left. They are super authoritarian.

    I blocked them since they spew Russian and Chinese propaganda points and take revisionist stances on Tianman square and deny the Uyghur Genocide.

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    • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The term “authoritarian” is so fraught that under these circumstances it might as well just mean “opponent of the United States” or “organized at all”.

      The examples you have provided are quite absurd.

      Tiananmen Square (which you misspelled) is indeed poorly understood in The West, including the historical conensus that there was no massacre in the square itself. It is, in fact, historical revisionism to suggest otherwise. In addition, Tiananmen Square is just a place, a very popular one to visit that has been the location for all kinda of events. In China, the events are called the June 4 Incident / events. Calling it “Tiananmen Square” is sometimes a sign that a person is not familiar with the history as they are using the common but misleading term that is virtually only used to forward the previously-mentioned historical revisionism to a Western audience that is in no way interested in understanding.

      Re: Uyghurs, I would suggest that you read into this much more, as the topic is full of misinformation, think tanks with shady ties, fake universities, charlatans pretending to be experts, literal teenagers treated as satellite photography analysis experts, and really weird NGOs, including pro-Trump ones. One good topic to focus on is calling it a genocide at all and how that came to be the discourse. In particular, what The Newlines Institute is, why they were amplified by the US State Departmwnt, their rationale, and, of course, why none of that is taken seriously outside of a very specific political block. Following their members, funding, etc is actually a pretty interesting rabbit trail to follow. Bird’s eye view, the rhetorical treatment of Uyghurs as the subject of genocide was more or less invented, and this is is why you naturally don’t see math death, destruction, refugees, or forced migrations of the Uyghur population. This does not mean bad things haven’t happened there nor that policies were not hamfisted, but just compare how China treated a series of sectarian knife attacks (education, jobs, vocational training, investment, banning extremist Salafist practices) to how the West treated and treats Muslims (invading and killing millions).

      So, anyways, I hope that you can continue your education and engage with these realities in gold faith.

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      • wick@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Thanks for posting your thoughts, I don’t get many opportunities to hear tankie brainrot as it’s often purged from my feed before I even open the comments.

        #1 whatever did or did not happen at the specific location of Tiananmen Square doesn’t address that the Chinese government murdered student protestors. Doesn’t matter if it was two blocks over or on the other side of the country. The CCP will use lethal force against protestors.

        #2 a think tank has nothing to do with all the Uyghurs whose family members have disappeared without a trace. The CCP makes people disappear and they offer zero transparency into their judicial process.

        You’re quibbling over minor specifics and ignoring the undisputed parts that are most damning. Stop being a propagandist for a government that doesn’t even align with your proported beliefs just because ”america bad".

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      • j_overgrens@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        On behalf of my Uyghur friends who haven’t spoken to their parents in years, because they were imprisoned for their children emigrating: fuck you. A really deep, heartfelt fuck you.

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      • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Found one guys!

        Tianmen square test: Failed

        Uyghur test: Failed

        I love this litmus test so much lol.

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      • pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        what about märtsiküüditamine? and im not translating for a tankie, kuradi hull!

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    • OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Many people playing “leftist” are this way, sadly. And <insert religion here>, and <insert country name here> as well, but my favorite example is “conservatives”… who despite both the name itself and the claim to want to return to “traditional” values, instead want to radically overthrow everything that has arisen for the past several hundreds of years.

      It turns out that it is really, really, really hard to be truly honest with oneself, about whatever it is that we choose to believe.

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    • muzzle@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I mostly agree with you, but that’s the reason why I picked an instance that does not block them: sometimes it is good to see the world from a different point of view. And it’s not like the other Lemmy instances are completely free of propaganda either.

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      • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Yeah it is when you’re not affected by them I guess. But their rampant ableism and transphobia would have made me leave lemmy if there wasn’t a way to block.

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  • 5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    If one’s a strict authoritarian, thats a pretty sensible thing to say 🤷‍♂️

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  • mke@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    There’s at least one interesting fellow in this very thread sharing extremely predictable opinions.

    I thought I was annoying when arguing. Still do, but I found someone worse. Doesn’t make me feel better, because it seems I’m sharing a table with them.

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