hans

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• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  otherwise it would be waste after we press the soybean for oil

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  we already feed people soy. but we make a lot more than people want to eat. feeding it to livestock is a conservation of resources

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  if we don’t plant soybeans, we won’t get soybean oil

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  these papers are years-old. I’ve read them.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Their ‘reactions’ to being cut, like the smell of cut grass, are chemical reactions. Not feelings or desires.

  all neurological responses are chemical response. you don’t know if a plant might experience this like emotions

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  this is not proof crows or elephants understand that they, themselves, might die

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  plants don’t want to be eaten. animals don’t want to be eaten. and the reason for both is the same: we don’t have proof they understand the concept

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  somehow I read “beef and dairy”. whoops

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  my bad. carry on

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Since we both dont really know for sure, we should probably just

  suspend judgement on the claim until there is more evidence.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  we can’t prove a negative. but you are making the claim that requires that they do understand personal mortality, so it is on you to support that claim

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  I’m explaining that “not wanting” something does not require that you even know of that things existence

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  you spoke specifically about cattle. now you are moving the goal posts

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  I’m asking for some peer-reviewed paper to support your claim

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  in the 15th century, no one wanted an electric car. does that mean they wanted to stop technological progression?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  so when they die, it’s because they want to die?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  there are only about 1.5 billion cattle in the world. why would you lie about something so easy to find the truth

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  how do you know what they want?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Not wanting to die/wanting to stay alive

  two different things

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  this is not proof that they understand that they, themselves, might die.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  I dont think it makes sense to look globally

  this is irrelevant to whether it’s a lie that 70% of global crops are fed to animals

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  the claim was about global crops. your cherry picking now.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  I think you misread “mortality” as “morality”

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  They understand it the same way we do.

  if you could point me to the animal cognitive-behaviorist paper that supports this claim, is be happy to read it

  I think you are making that up

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  humans consume about 2/3 of global crop calories

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  they may have emotions, but this doesn’t entail that they understand personal mortality.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  we? I don’t. stop it.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  people don’t want to eat field corn, but the soy that is given to livestock is mostly the waste product from pressing soybeans for oil

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  none. not really. if we are using it, it’s not wasted, and much of what we feed livestock is plants or parts of plants that people can’t or won’t eat

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  70% of global crops are fed to animals.

  no, they’re not. why would you lie about something so easy to find the truth?