Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x07 “Ko’Zeine”

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As our cadets return home for their first school holiday, they must choose between what their families expect of them and their own dreams for the future — including an aspiring captain who’s secretly willing to risk everything to re-write her own past, and an aristocratic cadet called to serve his planet way before he’s ready.

Written by: Alex Taub & Eric Anthony Glover

Directed by: Andi Armaganian

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thetrekkersparky@startrek.website ⁨48⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
This was most definitely my least favourite. Why show what Kionians look like in episode 1 when you’re just going to make them all look human in episode 7. Just seems lazy to me.

Genesis and Caleb’s story was better, but seemed out of character for Genesis. I also disliked the suggestion that men & women can’t be friends without falling in love with each other.

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Kirk@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I thought this episode was the sort of comfortable, regular-ass side quest character-development stories the fans are always clamoring for. Honestly surprised to see the largely negative reaction here.

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Kushan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Bit of a snooze fest if I’m honest. I was hoping we’d get more screen time with Genesys at some point but this was a bit flat and boring. It also seems to counter her character, an otherwise brilliant cadet that’s acing it but does really obviously dumb shit? Didn’t quite buy it.

The whole episode was quite predictable, this might possibly be my least favourite episode so far.

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Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This episode is far below the standard of quality I’ve come to expect from STA. From Chancellor Ake using an ableist slur, to the bad Darem retcons, this episode brings down the whole series.

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Kabutor@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
A low point episode for me, the wedding could have been much better just adding a nemesis character to Daren that is hovering over her fiancee to grab the throne, some dark guy with evil intentions. As for the Genesis/Caleb plot I only enjoyed that he knew all the time she was playing him, I would have enjoyed much more if he will have resolved the issue, and don’t have to tell the Chanciller about it.

Not very interesting episode, the main problem is that Darem has changed because a lot of time has passed between episodes, and I don’t have a sense of that (there is a line when they said how long Tarima has gone for the recovery) , he has evolved from the character he was on the first episode, but we don’t realize it

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- Akuchimoya@startrek.website ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The change in Darem was the whole point of the Calica/prank episode. He went from needing to be the best (because of his parent issues) to apologizing to Genesis, supporting her as their team leader (with the prank as well), and telling his parents he’s found another way.
  
  With the Miyazaki episode, he immediately gave Genesis credit for the idea of how to find the cloaked ship, and while he didn’t have lines for it, when she was getting frustrated with the search, his body language and gestures were essentially encouraging her.
  
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  - Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Kaira: Jay-Den’s toast. It was beautiful. But the man he described is someone I’ve never met. The Darem I know is quiet, always trying to appease, always one step behind me, our whole lives. […] Go. Be cocky. Walk on hulls. Live the life you were meant to live.
    
    Jay-den: Congratulations.
    Darem: Thank you. For-for what?
    Jay-den: For realizing that you are essentially an asshоlе.
    
    All that stuff about Darem becoming less of an asshole since joining Starfleet has been retconned out. Now the story is that he was quiet and selfless on Khionia, and became a confident asshole since joining Starfleet Academy.
    
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ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Well, that was certainly a low-stakes palate cleanser after last week’s more intense episode. Probably a little too low-stakes for my liking.

They seemed intent on inverting common tropes in this one:

The “arranged marriage” storyline didn’t play out in a way that we’ve really seen before.

Similarly, Darem’s overall arc of “I need to stop being such a people-pleaser so I can be my more authentic, dickish self” is…a twist.

Caleb and Genesis put any “will they/won’t they” plotlines to rest (though I suppose they could revisit it).

And Genesis’ deep, dark secret turned out to be…not that deep. As much as I appreciate the inversion and that she didn’t turn out to be a Species 10-C spy or something, I feel like we still don’t know enough about Genesis. We’re going to have to meet her dad to really get to the bottom of her character, I think.

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- Kirk@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I really don’t think we were meant to interpret the advice of “be a dick” literally. People with social anxiety oftenfeel like they’re being a dick when others just see confidence and playful teasing.
  
  I interpreted his lesson to stop being afraid of how others perceive him, which is a recurring theme of this series.
  
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  - ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah, I exaggerate, but I think the message was definitely that it’s okay to embrace your inner cockiness, which I think is an untraditional (but interesting!) message.
    
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buerviper@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Meh, didn’t really care for this episode. The wedding stuff would have interested me more if we were already more invested in Darem and his culture, but there is too much going on at the same time (lore-wise).

As for the academy stuff, don’t know. Considering Giamatti is in this show, I hoped Genesis, Caleb and Reno would do a The Holdovers, but the entire premise falls flat. Again, too much in one episode. Genesis is first about to be recommended into that Captains program and in the same episode not. Wish this would have been more of a storyline between episodes.

After I thoroughly enjoyed the past episodes this is the weakest episode of the series so far to me.

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- themoken@startrek.website ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yeah, I liked the episode, nothing felt out of place in individual scenes, but you’re right it does feel like they were trying to fit too much story into too little time. There’s like four B-plots in there.
  
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  - buerviper@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah each scene works for itself, but together it doesn’t create something that has anything to say. Every plot point has been seen somewhere else already, so it’s not like there’d be any big surprises.
    
    I think Darem’s story suffers most. It’s ironic if his bride says “Jay-Den talks about a side of yours I have never seen” if they all talk about a Darem we have never seen before. Not sure what the authors were thinking in this episode.
    
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alx@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I love Jay-Den so much, and I really hoped he and Reymi would finally realize their love.

However, I hated the suggested romantic tension between Caleb and Genesis, fortunately it didn’t went further than that.

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- Akuchimoya@startrek.website ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Personally, I hope Jay-Den and Darem become/stay close friends. I think boys and men need more close, intimate, platonic friendships as a whole.
  
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- themoken@startrek.website ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  However, I hated the suggested romantic tension between Caleb and Genesis, fortunately it didn’t went further than that.
  
  I think they did that well. Spent one moment of “is this…?” and then just move on. Felt very young adult to me, but I also hope that’s the last of it.
  
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  - Kirk@startrek.website ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I’m with you. Felt very normal for twenty somethings.
    
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hopesdead@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
So how did Reno break her toe?

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- khaosworks@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  She felt like testing the impact door.
  
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end0fline@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Another week, another episode I enjoyed. I’m not super sure how Genesis didn’t think they were going to get caught when they activated the impulse and warp engines.

I don’t know what is happening between Jay-Den and Darem but I am here for it.

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- halcyoncmdr@piefed.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  First thing I thought was that the ship was going to be in Academy Mode because it was obviously landed and not in space, which we saw earlier seems to be able to simulate just about any scenario. Which would also explain why it was accepting commands from cadets without question.
  
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  - end0fline@piefed.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I thought maybe that access card she made out of programmable matter was allowing her to do it, but who knows.
    
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- hmantegazzi@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  The more I think about that scene, the more I feel that she was trying to get caught in a situation that gave her no alternative to tell the truth. She feels like a character that’s hiding too much for her own good.
  
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khaosworks@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Annotations for 1x07 are up at: startrek.website/post/35797552

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