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⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
I am ranting! Linux should be open for all, we should not have fallen this is Pro-Western, or Pro-China, or this or that, it should remain OPEN! We’d just caused Linux to be viewed as the payment messaging SWIFT and a sided institution so others will look for an alternative. Yes, today, after 2 decades, I am a bit Linux fan. I understand Linus had to apply the Presidential Order, he could just point his disagreement and even proposing the foundation to move to Switzerland or Mexico, but he did not; he did not offer his support for the people he dismissed after years and years of working for him.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Yep, the US is so powerful that is why Assad still in power and all regions with large population are kept away from US. Holodomor is highly disputed if is man-made. Specially when you consider Russia had a equally devastated famine at the very same time (Soviet famine of 1930–1933) and another a decade prior (Russian famine of 1921–1922). But of course, we only care about the mostly Ukraine affected one Holodomor one (1932-33) because it fits our anti-Russian agenda. As a rural guy, let me tell you, ironically, when famine strikes, the ones who suffer the most are farmers (a long story to explain here why)… Ukraine and parts of non industrialized Soviet Union all suffered famine and millions upon millions died, no distinctions if they spoke Russian or Ukrainian.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
So why Linus waited 2 years and a half to apply the Order until the grace period expires? He obviously does not like Russia, but he did trust those individuals (or system)!
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Putin invaded after the US fomented coup. before that, Ukraine just kept alternating pro-western pro-russian governments, the coup was done to prevent that alternation (even though the pro-western was going to win in 11 months, but that was not enough for US). Russia, could just not see being kick out of Crimea by the US with a coup. Imagine Cuba gets the capability of kicking US out of Guantanamo… US would just declare the Guantanamo “lease” as US land in a second. Lets not mention the vital or historical importance Crimea has for Russia that Guantanamo does not for the US.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Agreed. I would comply (US’s courts can be very hard with you if you don’t) but you can dismiss those Russians with honor and thank them for their contribution. Then, you can consider to move the foundation to a more free environment (Switzerland, Mexico, Spain,…)
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Insults apart (to Russians, Floridians and Lemmy community) , I do not blame Ukrainians for anything, specially when they are the biggest victims here. I blame the secret cabinets who decides their destiny for power, let those decisions are from Washington or Moscow, but let me tell you for sure are no from Kyiv. Now, historically, if you live close to a mayor power you do not like much (think of Ukraine or Cuba), the best is to have a strong army but never to join another distant power thinking it will save you, they will just use you.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Usually countries have to decide between butter and guns (eco 101). Well, such “largest militaries on Earth” had it both! Like Switzerland, you do have to keep a strong military to dissuade, but aligning to a alliance when you are the spearhead is bad. Switzerland had made an alliance with France or Germany a century ago, would not have ended non invaded, 100% guaranteed.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
intelligent counterargument… and ten upvotes. cool; disappointment a Lemmy community; seem just like another echo chamber as X.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Can you explain me why Linux waited till the very last moment of the Executive Order 14071’s grace period (the order is from April 2022!) to apply it? Obviously he trusted those people, or the verification system of the open system! Imagine you don’t like a political party for bad… fair enough, so you ban their representatives from voting table… don’t you think, that incentivizes the other party committing fraud? In these open system things, the more eyes the better, I don’t care if commies, libertarians, ultra-right or whatever, the diversity is what keep it in check…
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Executive Order 14071 is more than 2 yrs old… Linus waited till the grace deadline (in 1 week) to apply it, obviously he found it non necessary all this time and he trusted those Russians until the grace period expires. No, not so ignorant, nor a troll. And yes, Open systems is easy to detect maliciousness, better yet, you can pin point who contributed what for everyone to see.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
I am also against Russian aggression on Ukraine! But would no ban any Russian because of that. The same I am completely against US occupying Iraq and 1/3 of Syria, yet never would occur to me not to hire an American because what their country does. I really don’t understand why is so hard to understand for Lemmy community the double standard.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Good! So why the incendiary comments Linus made on Russians. It is so hard to say something like this: "I have to expel them from the project due to a US law forced us to do it. However, I had trust on them all these years and they contributed a lot to the project (that is why they were working here). Now, I am against the law because we should not discriminate people for the origin. Moreover, the claim that they can harm the software is unwarranted because it is OPEN and many eyes are on it. Finally, this harms the entire Linux project because now makes it an “American"project rather than an global one. Sad times.”
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Ukraine was invaded after a coup (when elections was 11 months away and polls say would turned pro-western anyways in their typical rotation). Yes Finland, Switzerland and Austria were non NATO are prospered fine, I would say even thrived. Same as Singapore with China. Of course, you can take the Cuba route and bring the nuclear missiles from Moscow, surely US will leave it fine. Side the side you want, keep a strong army but don’t join any military alliance seems to be the recipe for success when you leave close to a power you don’t like.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
With those incendiary comments he did on the people that worked for him for years… I doubt they will be back. If he did not trust them, he would have gotten rid of them years ago. He waited to the deadline to kick them out… good, so he trusted them till now… but then, he despise them from being Russian. I simply don’t get it… I don’t know… maybe Linus is just an ass or he was forced to say that… I think probably the first.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Looking at the downvotes, signals some true on you comment!
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Ukraine was awkwardly neutral (it was more a pro-anti rotation govs) before 2014 true… why US senators and Nuland ended there fanning a coup and ended handpicking the leaders? The invasion happened in 2022, 4 month after Russia send a letter to NATO to keep off Ukraine. Russia, as imperialistic aims it may have, have no intentions, not capabilities of invading Poland, Lithuania or Finland. Finland was no NATO and not even the USSR touch it. Mexico’s since Obrador is highly critical of the US, but wisely, choose to calm things down rather than going the Cuban and Venezuela route… see what works best. Is it fair? No, but one has to be pragmatic.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
If you can sneak backdoors, removing one side, would not make the other side, even if you consider the good one, be even more able to sneak one too. In election tables, what guarantees transparency is everyone represented at the table, not banning one side.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
My very fist post on lemmy and already see the upvote downvote game… When someone votes should be demanded a public reason, no?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
You would think someone from Finland would know better that, when you are so close to a power you don’t like, the best way to prosper is by keeping neutrality,… look at Finland in the 60s-00s, Singapore, Austria… or you choose to pick the Ukrainian, Filipino and Cuban path…
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Again, with open software that is not necessary… If we get to believe that argument, those potential “FSB” coders would be the ones who would notice if the CIA was trying to place a back door in the kernel too. Open Software is OPEN!!
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
The US occupying 1/3 of Syria and Iraq for far longer is ok though.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Don’t know how feasible is a fork of the kernel, but if given a choice, I would choose the distro with the kernel that does not ban people from any nationality every time.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Nobody says to ignore the law… it is Linus comments that were bad. Instead of defending the people that was working for him all these years and he had trust on them, he decided to throw them under the bus because he is from Finland. Well, Finland prospered the most on its life under neutrality.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
What current situation?
1. Is so hard to believe Open Source should be open? If there were a malicious intent, others would have been able to detect it in no time… because it is ‘open’! If the open system works, it should not matter there are CIA or FSB, commies or libertarians “infiltrated” making the code.
2. If those Russians had been in that position is because their contributions have been stellar, otherwise they would never have gotten there. Their contribution and effort has been robbed from them just because they mothers give them birth in the wrong coordinates.
3. Linus is a god for many of us… with human traits though… His Finland, although historically robbed by Russia, achieved its highest splendor during the decades of neutrality, not by fiercely antagonizing one or the other power… same as Switzerland, Ireland, Austria and Singapore.
4. All this started with a US law so he has to comply with. However, instead of those unhelpful comments, he should say that in open software it is unwarranted… not to mention countries can get sanctions for their actions, but not civilians that cannot choose where they are born.
5. If we are to believe that Moscow is trying to put something into the kernel “undetected”… gosh, what an organization based on the US with a so pro-establishment leader may be doing so? For real, now I am starting having my doubts on the kernel!