“He Was A F—ing Editor”: Jonathan Frakes, Brent Spiner And Ron Perlman Skewer ‘Star Trek: Nemesis’ Director

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It falls victim to the old SciFi trope “The only way to beat a Good Protagonist is with an Evil Protagonist”. And like all the Picard-Era movies, it has a habit of forgetting what made the television series gripping. Perhaps because it’s always afraid of doing something with a character that they can’t undo with a handwave by the time the credits roll.

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  • haverholm@kbin.earth ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It was always weird to me that, after 7 years playing Picard, as soon as they started making movies, Patrick Stewart's instinct was to play him as an action hero 🤦

    All of that beach buggy stunt driving in Nemesis should have gone on the editing floor.

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    • wjrii@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Patrick Stewart was also deeply involved in the creative decisions on Picard seasons 1 and 2. He got to the point where he just wanted to do what he wanted to do, and since he is Jean-Luc Picard, what he wants is ipso facto the right choice:

      “What I’d like to see at the end of the show,” I told them, “is a content Jean-Luc. I want to see Picard perfectly at ease with his situation. Not anxious, not in a frenzy, not depressed. And I think this means that there is a wife in the picture.” You see, the line between Jean-Luc and me has grown ever more blurred. If I have found true love, shouldn’t he?

      Sometimes you do not want your actor actually in charge of their iconic character, and genuine embrace of it can manage to make it worse if they’re not writers. I will do my occasional hornet’s-nest kicking and say that Mark Hamill’s take on Luke Skywalker after filming The Last Jedi was similarly myopic, but in a direction that more fans at least think they wanted, and since we’ll never see his choices play out he still gets the benefit of the doubt.

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    • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It is what Patrick Stewart wanted, which goes to show that sometimes the actor isn’t always right.

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  • hopesdead@startrek.website ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you are unware, Spiner and writer John Logan has since gone on to say this year that Data did not die. Effectively they have retroactively contradicted the events of PIC.

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    • GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Huh?

      Okay, it’s been a very long time since I watched that movie, but as I recall, he very clearly died. I know they went on to bring him back to life a hundred different times in PIC, though. Is that what they meant?

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      people would like to forget std and PICARD every existed under kurtzman or the person who follows in his footstep.

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    • Einskjaldi@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There’s lots of ways to do that.

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