Tuvok with some truth

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• bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This feels like a very un-Vulcan sentiment. After all, logically, there is no way of being certain what happens to the kid when you aren’t there.

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  • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Vulcans understand calculated risk. It would be illogical to assume certainty was possible in any situation. What would be Illogical is for Samantha to assume that she didn’t have a positive impact on Naomi, and that Naomi wouldn’t be loved and cared for by the Voyager crew were she to die.

    It would also be illogical to focus on what she cannot control (especially in an emergency situation) Tuvok is reminding her that she’s done what she can.

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    • aaaa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m with you, the only part of this that’s based on faith is the last statement, and that’s easily attributed to Tuvok recognizing that the more emotional humans tend to respond well to faith.

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  • c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Vulcans use “logic” to disguise their emotional attachments frequently in the show. They claim something is logical when it’s a purely emotional situation and logic doesn’t really apply. Not that Tuvok personally has those tendencies.

    Tuvok’s character arc heavily involves him realizing that he’s got to have a little bit more of an understanding of emotions in other species, since he is third in command and Voyager will be without support for years if not decades. He’s showing empathy but only stating facts, his child is in a similar situation and Ensign Wildman has done a good job in raising Naomi. He knows hope is important to her ability to function in the situation and he alleviates her concerns as quickly as he can merely by pointing out the truth and explaining to her why she shouldn’t fear the outcome.

    He’s developing his leadership skills as it pertains to other species, not just the leadership that works with Vulcans.

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    • Lydia_K@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Top notch analysis, well done.

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    • Telodzrum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Tuvok is a leader and a security officer, hope is a force multiplier. He’s good at his job, both with people and systems.

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  • Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well, Tuvok is one of the worst Vulcans around in general. He lets his emotions get the better of him a lot, as we saw throughout Voyager, but I never saw this line as something that was ‘un-Vulcan’. Then again that’s probably because I’ve always taken this scene as Tuvok ‘giving way’ a little bit. He does that occasionally on the show, sort of putting on an emotional front or putting things in emotional terms, to help soothe various characters with whatever they’re dealing with. Considering that she was about to die and was freaking out about her kid (which was directly putting her at further risk by raising her heart rate/breathing rate in a closed environment) I just assumed Tuvok sort of… manipulated the truth a bit to calm her down.

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    • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m still working my way through VOY but even as far as I am (just watched “Tuvix”) there have been many instances where he has had emotions overwhelm him. I feel like mind melding with a violent psychopath didn’t do him any favours.

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    • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Should have just nerve pinched her.

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    • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You can use logic to deduce when appearing to show emotion might be beneficial to a situation.

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• 7of9@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Anyone who didn’t feel this scene has no heart!

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• Facebones@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I love Tuvak, man I need to rewatch Voyager, especially after Janeway being in the cartoon!

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