Ban them, ban them all!
Google asks Congress to not ban teens from social media
Submitted 1 year ago by JunglGeorg@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Granixo@feddit.cl 1 year ago
H2207@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m a teen and I second this opinion.
dezmd@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why?
Granixo@feddit.cl 1 year ago
Because a vast majority of teenagers misuse/overuse social media (cyber-bullying, isolating from their environment, phone addiction, and so on…)
dezmd@lemmy.world 1 year ago
1- It has been proven time and time again how social media has done more harm than good to teenagers.
2- I’m only talking about about platforms owned by the big corporations, platforms here on the Fediverse are (from my perspective) much more safer (in the sense that you don’t really see harmful content if you don’t want to).
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Where has it been proven that its done more harm than good? Have studies been done to actually explore what ‘good’ it has allowed, or is the litmus test for it only about what harm may have been affected on teenagers? Whats your basis for this claim?
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The Fediverse is equally unsafe if you consider your take in an objective manner rather than just play on what you feel moment to moment.
What’s your take on 4chan?
Granixo@feddit.cl 1 year ago
- Ever since teens had access to social media, there have been studies on the matter, (i’ll admit, that in early years they were pretty scandalous, but now they try to act as more of a guide or recommendation for parents).
Here you got one source (again, of many):
…edu.au/…/new-study-reveals-teenagers-social-medi…
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The Fediverse is mostly handled by moderators and the community (like Reddit used to be), so when there’s an issue regarding ill behaviour, it is usually handled inside that community. (And besides, instances have their own rules too.)
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It’s toxic waste, get the hell out of there. 💀☢️
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EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Something like, you can register at 16 with your parent’s permission
Point is - how do you prove the person is of the “right” age noninvasively? Not like the mainstream social media platforms were already friendly to anonymity, but all the methods I can think of are on a whole another level.
Granixo@feddit.cl 1 year ago
I now, that’s very muddy waters right there.
But again, i only meant that for the big platforms.
I don’t think age verification should be necessary on the Fediverse.
Starkstruck@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“think of the children” is always a poor excuse to strip away citizen freedoms. Usually never actually helps them anyways.
Granixo@feddit.cl 1 year ago
I would usually agree with this statement, but the truth is that social media does way more harm than good when it comes to teenagers.
Starkstruck@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is it really the government’s job to police what every teen does on the Internet though? I think that’s for the parents to do.
ram@bookwormstory.social 1 year ago
:::spoiler Rambling I’m not super against the idea of age verification online. I’m against the idea of these companies having my ID. A better (but still very imperfect) solution would be to have the government itself provide a login that would simply send a true/false back to the service you’re trying to access.
But even this has problems, beyond just privacy ones. There’s many who don’t have ID, who can’t get ID, and even more who don’t have ID that would be recognized in the local jurisdiction (whether it be from a foreign national, or someone in the USA with a Driver’s License from New Mexico). :::
Anyways, the practice of age verification itself I don’t have a problem with, but any implementation I can conceive is full of glaring issues that render it impossible without us forfeiting our rights to anonymity and/or surrendering our data to an untrustworthy source and or just being plain unreliable to attempt to use.
Ace0fBlades@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah Louisiana implemented a government portal that does exactly what you claim through the driver’s license apl. Their database was hacked a little under a year ago with basically all private citizen information stolen.
If you set up a system to use these mechanisms the data WILL BE stolen or mishandled.
zeluko@kbin.social 1 year ago
We have eID features withiut such big problems.
Simply because the data resides on the card itself and can only be read using a certified terminal.e.g. A website can get a certificate to establish a secure tunnel between them and your card through e.g. your phone.
Then the certificate only allows getting specific data e.g. if you are over 18 or not.
tslnox@reddthat.com 1 year ago
This idea scares me as well. State would have it so much easier to track what adult content you are visiting. Not a fan, even though I personally only do pretty tame stuff.
zeluko@kbin.social 1 year ago
You dont have e-ID features? Wild..
Just last semester i learned how they are implemented and which protections they have in place to preserve privacy like specific identifiers
So a certain terminal can only get certain information e.g. over 18? yes/no
Our cigarett dispensers use this feature (those without a person to check)ram@bookwormstory.social 1 year ago
You have unmanned cigarette sales? What country, if you don’t mind my asking?
nuzzlerat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think we need to keep children off the internet but there’s not really a way to do that other than having parents be more responsible. I think public shaming could work wonders in this area
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
for fuck’s sake why does this get upvotes here
For teenage me the Internet was the only escape from the horribleness and stress of my offline life. Probably for many current teenagers too (if you are one of them: trust me, life will get better as an adult). There is no way I will ever support “keeping children off the Internet” and not just because it requires adults too to verify their age, also because it is a bad idea in the first place. Teenagers might not always make great decisions about everything, but this is also true of adults.
nuzzlerat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I completely get where you’re coming from and this is something I think about a lot. There are so many people I know (myself included) who have benefited as kids from being able to access the internet and find a community, but overall the data I’ve seen shows a net negative in terms of social outcomes. And to be completely honest I just think that a lot of spaces on the internet suffer from having too many adolescents around.
I don’t want to enforce a law or something but I think we just need to be more socially aware of the kinds of spaces that kids have access to
SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
They probably had a privileged childhood, not that I didn’t too, but in some things the internet was the only out for me and helped me a lot, so I’ll agree with you. I do see their point about the exploitative nature of the current landscape but that’s a systemic problem that won’t be solved by banning children from accessing the internet
superguy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Let their parents do it.
artisanrox@kbin.social 1 year ago
This is some Red State nanny government shit. This os a foot in the door for neonazis to control Internet access.
They hate when we share organization dates and information.
Granixo@feddit.cl 1 year ago
But didin’t Google already track your age?
I remember that in 2014 Google erased my first Gmail account because i was -15 and that didin’t aligned with their new “policies”.
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
You were negative 15? You were still nutrients in the soil thay made the food your parents ate to make you?
perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 1 year ago
YouTube in the UK already refuses to show some videos if their data gathering & marketing system didn’t know enough about you to guess your age.
Granixo@feddit.cl 1 year ago
That’s… good actually.
jray4559@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
As if teenagers would actually go on a service that forces them to upload a government ID.
MimicJar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“…like forcing users to upload copies of their government IDs to access an online service.”
“Some states, like Louisiana, have tailored their bills to ban kids from seeing online porn by forcing everyone, including adults, to verify their age before using the site. Google’s proposal does not oppose age verification on porn and gambling sites.”
That’s terrifying. Signing up for Lemmy would require uploading a government ID. I don’t know the solution to this problem, but I’m not confident this proposal is the right one.
squiblet@kbin.social 1 year ago
If it's from Louisiana, it's probably a bad idea. Except for gumbo.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I live in Louisiana and we don’t enforce the important laws; we definitely aren’t enforcing that one. I’m not a connoisseur de porn sites but I think Pornhub is the only site that has an ID requirement and they probably just complied so they could file a lawsuit.
Also, I can take a street car to the French Quarter right now for $1.25 and get motorboated for one additional dollar if I wanted. I have no idea what the state legislature thinks passing a porn ID law will accomplish. But rest assured, their laws mean nothing in New Orleans.
Capricorny90210@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And jambalaya
superguy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Who fucking cares about porn?
MimicJar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
youtu.be/j6eFNRKEROw
But also the anonymous Internet is important.
Also, do you think the proposal will actually have the intended effect? Do you think COPPA has been successful? en.wikipedia.org/…/Children's_Online_Privacy_Prot…
Children under the age of 13 absolutely have Facebook accounts. Children of all ages have DEFINITELY seen things that no one should see.
I’m not saying this isn’t a topic worth discussing, but further restrictions is not the right answer.