Does Perchance.org count as coding/programming?

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• Asudox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  No. HTML isn’t a programming language. It’s just a markup language.

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  • Abigblueworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s a Khan Academy thing saying it is

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    • insomniac@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Markup languages like HTML are declarative. That means you use it to describe the result you want but you don’t give it any instructions for how to actually do that. An imperative language is used to actually describe the behavior. Traditional programming languages are imperative. An imperative language is necessary to interpret the HTML and actually display the content in the desired way. You can’t use HTML to accomplish anything by itself. This distinction is why calling HTML a programming language is contentious.

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    • Asudox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They can say that, but the truth is that it is not.

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• mocha_lotsofmilk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t know if I would count HTML alone as coding either way, tbh. It’s a markup language, not a programming language.

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  • Abigblueworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    OK

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  • Abigblueworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What is markup also?

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• radix@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just reading the homepage, no, it just looks like a tool. When you use it, you’re a person making use of a tool, not a programmer.

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  • ekky43@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re not making a generator either. The tool itself is already the generator, you just make content packs for it. The result will then be a generator for your content pack.

    I guess an analogy could be an industrial harbor which loads ships with containers. Can the harbor say that it made the loaded ships? (yes it can, but people will rise eyebrows.)

    I guess the generator can be seen as a very high-level programming language, so OP can call themselves a programmer, but I wouldn’t go boasting about it.

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    • evilgiraffe666@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s all human readable abstractions for 0s and 1s, isn’t it? Unless you’re working with quantum computers.

      We want to draw the line somewhere, so my mum on FB doesn’t call herself a programmer for creating a post, but it’s not very clear where to put that line. I think it has to depend on the context, you could tell your hairdresser you’re a programmer to avoid the unnecessary details, but wouldn’t describe it as such in a job interview.

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    • Abigblueworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You’re making me feel like I’m a dumbass

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• karmiclychee@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  From the welcome page

  my secret mission with Perchance is to get people interested in coding with a smooth, fun learning-curve

  Seems like it worked!

  I do web dev on a daily basis, and I tend to think of HTML as “formatted” data.

  A database has data in it, but it’s in a format of columns and rows, like a spreadsheet.

  My application fetches that raw data and uses code to manipulate it - it can inspect it, rewrite it, combine it with other data from other places, validate it against rules - all sorts of stuff.

  Since my app is a web app, all that code is designed to use the data formatted in columns and rows from the database, and use it to generate new data in HTML format to send to the browser.

  Technically, writing HTML for a browser is a form of programming - it’s a set of instructions that tell the browser how to display the data in the HTML. It’s not considered programming in a professional sense, though, as HTML doesn’t get, send, change, or process data. Its purpose is as a format for data to be sent and read by something else (the browser).

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  • Abigblueworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hmmm

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• vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you use it to make software that you or other people can use, it’s programming.

  I’m not interested in mediating what “real” programming is, or who gets to call themselves a “real” programmer.

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  • Abigblueworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ok

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  • ekky43@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Programmer” isn’t a protected title, so everyone and their grandma can be a programmer. You don’t even need any actual experience or knowledge on the topic.

    Just don’t go around calling yourself a “software engineer” or anything like that, as it comes with some prestige, but also means that people expect you to have certain skills.

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    • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just don’t go around calling yourself a “software engineer” or anything like that, as it’s a protected title

      Protected where and by whom? Most software engineers aren’t PEs.

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• simonced@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s a fun tool, and to some extend, it feels “programmy”. But, also, comparing to HTM, YAML JSON etc, those are just data format that need to be parsed and used by programs, so it is definitely different.

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  • Abigblueworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It really is fun

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