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Why I'm Leaving Big Tech

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨chobeat@lemmy.ml⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://disjunctionsmag.com/articles/why-leaving-big-tech/

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  • cabbage@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Pretty tragic story of a man who knows for years he is doing evil, but is unable to get out of his comfy bubble of exploitation before being laid off. If evil triumphs when good men do nothing, this reads as a case study.

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    • cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Kind of like the state of the USA right now.

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      • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        America is an example of the narcissism and psychopathy that extreme wealth creates, and capitalism rewards, rotting a society to its core.

        It’s most prevalent in America because it has the highest wealth inequality, and the most religiously indoctrinated poorly educated population, but the ultra wealthy tend to be narcissists everywhere; especially those born into extreme wealth, like Trump.

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      • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        How does it go? America is when 1/3 of the people could eat another 1/3 alive and the last 1/3 would only watch passively as it happens?

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  • Klox@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I took a voluntary layoff from Google last year. It’s probably self-rationalizing, but IMO I had an excellent role at the company for the last 5 years of my time. I helped design a system that locks down and redacts server logs across many of Google’s services. Only on-call engineers with an emergency backed by a post mortem review could get temporary access to original server logs. The system doesn’t delete all data but it can enforce codified contracts, country/state regulations, make certain privacy gurantees, and surface problems for auditing.

    Google has made and continues to make poor business decisions, but from my experience they are one of the best big companies managing user privacy. I can’t speak for all of Google’s business units (well I can’t speak for the company at all, heh), but the privacy zeitgeist says the opposite which I’ve found misleading, but could never really speak to while being employed.

    User data is taken extremely seriously at Google, and I worked with hundreds of people that would gladly get fired if asked to do anything unethical with user data. They audit and lock down access, build systems for guaranteeing anonymization (systems in place long before I worked there), report compliance, and most importantly they work independently from the employees that use the data. Every business unit had committees to consult and review privacy specifically. I was also an expert consultant for several privacy incidents and the number of people involved and the seriousness taken was personally impressive for even minor incidents.

    IMO it’s still one of the best companies to work for, but there’s many legitimate reasons to cut them out. My opinion switched when Google had their first layoff in January 2023. The company had issues (I am sure there are plenty of legit lawsuits that I know nothing about that can be fixed with money and internal/external controls and improvements), but in that moment I realized it’s not the company I thought I knew. Rough ordering of reason for my exit:

    1. Government contracts supporting fascism (Israel, ICE, face tracking, etc.).
    2. The layoffs.
    3. Pichai going to inauguration and capitulating.
    4. 180 on remote culture.
    5. AI slop.

    There’s probably more if I reflected longer.

    Google was good to me for the years I was there. I got up to L6 and saved enough for my family to exit on my own terms and find a better environment. I’m still looking heh.

    Happy to answer some questions (culture, privacy, SWE/SRE, oncall, etc.) if there are any. The company is massive and I had a small but I think interesting perspective.

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    • Cherry@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      As a young adult these were the innovators to aspire to. But the last 3/4 years things have turned. I keep thinking back to the apple 1984 ad and that they have become what the hated. Big tech are no longer innovators. They are becoming exploitive and controlling.

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      • Klox@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I hear you on that. It seems like there’s room for it, but it’s just covered in this gross amorphous hyper-capitalist structure. I am inspired by DeepMind giving away the AlphaFold protein structure database for free. That was awesome! YouTube too is awesome, and it’s profitable, but they slowly make insane, gross decisions to chase 30% YoY growth. 1.5 hour ads, double ads, cutting creator payments, etc. Just make it sustainable! Repeat ad nauseum across the business units. It’s upsetting.

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    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I don’t the issue with Google is that they are careless with user data. It’s extremely valuable so of course they protect it, even from their own employees. That doesn’t mean they don’t collect, analyze and monetize shitload of data on everyone. Their business model is the problem.

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      • Klox@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I hear a lot of different far out theories: microphone spying on Android (as a feature, not some 0-day bug), manipulating search results nefariously, handing information over to the government, and dozens more. Google wants user profiles to sell ad segments, but beyond that they do not want your data:

        1. Some data is product-scoped. Emails, pictures, YouTube videos, etc. Google can’t just delete these because people want them back heh. Most product-scoped data is not accessible for analytics at all. For example, there’s no scanning gmail to inform product decisions. Data is encrypted in ways that would make that impossible, e.g. only an SRE or bug investigation might be able to review a specific email. Another example is Maps tracking data. Maps Timeline is now user-device local. Google no longer has the data. Thats pretty impressive, to have a timeline feature and not have the data!

        2. All the other tracking and analytics data (that comes from every individual user) have time-locked controls. Data types expire at specific business intervals ranging from hours, weeks, months, and more rare is a about 1.5 years. Some very special types may get retained indefinitely, such as legal holds, or data that is business-produced (as opposed to user-produced). There are both row and column wipeout processes always running for hundreds of reasons.

        3. Google has aggressive internal goals to cut costs. They don’t want to host infinite pictures and videos. They improved consolidating user data so that Google Wipeout is pretty much a guarantee that you are gone from their system. Very few people do that though, so they also push the data plans to recoup some of those costs.

        4. All the user data they collect is downloadable: support.google.com/accounts/answer/3024190?hl=en. Everything there can be deleted.

        Yeah, they are excellent at monetizing data, but IMO it’s not for sacrificing user privacy. From my engagement with privacy communities, that is not well understood at all.

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    • chobeat@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I would add exploitation of precarious workers both in the USA, Europe and third-world countries. That said, were you involved in Alphabet Workers Union? If not, why?

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      • Klox@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Good question. I wasn’t. I was not located in California, and the union never really came up in any of my conversations with colleagues. I vaguely thought dues were 5-8% of total compensation (I see now they are 1% which seems reasonable, either I remembering incorrectly or they have since lowered, or maybe I looked at a different union) and they did not have any negotiating rights.

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Tech isn’t an airport: you don’t have to announce your departure.

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    • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I like reading those actually. Its always interesting to see people leave and why they do it. And many of the reasons can be summed up with how its not worth it anymore.

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  • Cherry@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I didn’t mind this article. It highlights a struggle of someone clearly at odds with the betrayal brought on by tech The example of IBM is a good one, and the fool me once concept. And for many they got into tech to bring good change, that got hijacked by the greedy.

    What I struggle with is the fact corps gonna make money with that and people have made big money and gone with this, and it’s only after being laid off they are open to the ills of the what has happened.

    The bigger question is if you are still willing to support and perpetuate big tech and bad behaviour in other ways. There’s no indication of the viewers nationality but do they have investment funds in tech? are condoning bad practices against minorities? or only the ones that align with their background beliefs. For many in the tech industry introspection is a good practice. It’s easy to say at the end of your career hey I don’t wanna work with them. It’s even easier when you are comfortable.

    I suppose it is a start people are openly voicing this.

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    • chobeat@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      He’s a brown guy immigrated to NA and writing on a Marxist magazine. I don’t believe in reducing the personal to the biographical like Americans do, but also I think you can guess the answer to a few of your questions.

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