Reproducible alternatives to nextcloud?

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨tonton@infosec.pub⁩ to ⁨selfhosted@lemmy.world⁩

I’ve been running nextcloud for my family and some projects about two years now and while it’s allright when it’s not breaking, I’ve had it break twice during upgrades and once outside of an upgrade. Getting back to running again during upgrades may require that I have two instances running one after the other - which is just too much to deal with for me, I’m anxious everytime a new update arrives, even though my system does backups and updates mostly automatic (yunohost).

(I run Nixos/Guix on my own laptop and get shivers anytime I have to deal with around in debian/android/anything-unlike-nixos-or-guix. And, yes, last I checked even Nixos struggles with nextcloud - which speaks volumes about it. I run yunohost on the server because it did DNS automagically)

So my question is, what could I change to that has:

high reproducibility/easy maintenance/easy upgrades.
file sync
file sharing between users
some kind of direct link file sharing

Nice to have:

collaboration of some sort
caldav (calendar and tasks)
carddav (contacts)

Grateful for any and all inputs here. :)

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illusionist@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Try nextcloud with docker/podman. Take a backup/copy right before upgrading, upgrade, if it fails remove the upgrade and wait another week/month before upgrading or fix it. In the meanwhile, you can simply use the version that you have not yet updated.

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- sorghum@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I’ve run both AIO docker and TrueNAS app deployments, and it’s the most house of cards fragile of anything I’ve ever hosted. I still haven’t been able to get the Apache container to talk to my cloudflare tunnel. I’m still looking for better options to self host or the Nextcloud forums to actually be helpful.
  
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  - illusionist@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Sorry to hear that!
    
    I use hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud/#running-this-image-wi…
    
    It works like a charme.
    
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blurry@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

As recommended from others here the docker version with a compose file works great.

I had similar problems with nextcloud upgrades until I switched the channel from latest to stable. Stable is still version 31, but I haven’t found a user comfortable alternative which I can give my family without hearing their pain. For me *Dav is the best decision and Syncthing for files that should be offline available like keepass or something.

And if you are actually on latest/32 maybe it is an option to switch to a tagged 32 version until it becomes stable.

From my view a major update shouldn’t been done automatically.

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tonton@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

I’ve avoided docker for a long time. So when you set this up how do you configure? Can I do it declaratively (text file) or do I have to click around in the app?

And thank you for input. ٩(◕‿◕｡)۶

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null@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Yes you can use docker-compose which spines up all your necessary container connects them with an internal network and most of your stuff has been setup.

Then you but all your configurations in a git repository and you have a all your container under version control.

This is a slightly modified version of mine:

I use traefik as a reverse proxy
I mount my syncthing folder to have access on the go to my keepass file

Not in this, but maybe relevant

Use borgmatic as backup and have script that stops all container with a mount under /opt/backup/docker, does the backup and restarts them.

---
networks:
  default:
    driver: bridge
  traefik_proxy:
    external: true
    name: traefik_proxy
services:
  nextcloud-app:
    container_name: nextcloud-app
    depends_on:
      - nextcloud-db
      - nextcloud-redis
    environment:
      - TZ=Europe/Berlin
      - POSTGRES_HOST=nextcloud-db
      - POSTGRES_PASSWORD=nextcloud
      - POSTGRES_DATABASE=nextPosPw
      - POSTGRES_USER=nextcloud
      - REDIS_HOST=nextcloud-redis
      - REDIS_HOST_PASSWORD=nextRedPw
    image: nextcloud:32
    labels:
      - container-hosts.enable=true
      - container-hosts=${NEXTCLOUD_URL}
      - traefik.enable=true
      - traefik.http.routers.nextcloud.entrypoints=web-secure
      - traefik.http.routers.nextcloud.rule=Host(`${NEXTCLOUD_URL}`)
      - traefik.http.routers.nextcloud.tls=true
      - traefik.http.routers.nextcloud.middlewares=nextcloud-chain@docker
      - traefik.http.middlewares.nextcloud-chain.chain.middlewares=nextcloud-redirect@docker,secHeaders@file
      - traefik.http.middlewares.nextcloud-redirect.redirectregex.regex=^https://(.*)/.well-known/(card|cal)dav
      - traefik.http.middlewares.nextcloud-redirect.redirectregex.replacement=https://$$1/remote.php/dav/
      - traefik.http.services.nextcloud.loadbalancer.server.port=80
    networks:
      - traefik_proxy
      - default
    restart: always
    volumes:
      - /opt/backup/docker/nextcloud/html/data:/var/www/html/data
      - ./data/config:/var/www/html/config
      - /opt/backup/docker/syncthing/data:/syncthing
  nextcloud-cron:
    container_name: nextcloud-cron
    depends_on:
      - nextcloud-db
      - nextcloud-redis
    entrypoint: /cron.sh
    environment:
      - TZ=Europe/Berlin
    image: nextcloud:32
    networks:
      - default
    restart: always
    volumes:
      - /opt/backup/docker/nextcloud/html/data:/var/www/html/data
      - ./data/config:/var/www/html/config
      - /opt/backup/docker/syncthing/data:/syncthing
  nextcloud-db:
    container_name: nextcloud-db
    environment:
      - TZ=Europe/Berlin
      - POSTGRES_USER=nextcloud
      - POSTGRES_PASSWORD=nextPosPw
      - POSTGRES_DB=nextcloud
    image: postgres:17-alpine
    networks:
      - default
    restart: always
    volumes:
      - /opt/backup/docker/nextcloud/postgresql:/var/lib/postgresql/data
  nextcloud-redis:
    command: valkey-server --requirepass nextRedPw --save 30 1 --loglevel warning
    container_name: nextcloud-redis
    environment:
      - TZ=Europe/Berlin
    image: docker.io/valkey/valkey:8-alpine
    networks:
      - default
    restart: always
    volumes:
      - redis_data:/data
volumes:
  redis_data:
...

PS: I don’t want to use any fancy clicky app, because over the last years I had so often problems with updates of these clicky apps and this version is straight forward for all my containers.

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INeedMana@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Same as now, you only have to write in docker compose that this local file, next to docker compose should be mounted to that location inside container

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Ooops@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Being lazy and having update-related issues with nextcloud too often for my taste I went back to the basics (as that’s all I actually use 99% of the time) with Syncthing for file syncing and Radicale for caldav/carddav.

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- Cyber@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Yep, this is what I did too.
  
  I found no-one was using the NC interface and just syncing, so stripped right back.
  
  Stable. Lightweight. Mostly no maintenance (just moving to syncthing-fork)
  
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NorthWestWind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Copyparty! github.com/9001/copyparty

Insanely powerful, consumes much less resource and is very easy to setup. It does one thing (cloud storage) and it does it well.

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- Nibodhika@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  How does it work on Android? One of my main use cases for Nextcloud is to be able to access some of my pdfs on my phone, the app seems to be focused on uploading which is something that while I do sometimes from my phone is much less often.
  
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  - NorthWestWind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Some Android file managers support WebDAV. I’m using Amaze which unfortunately doesn’t, so instead I have DAVx5 and I can use it to browse files on the server.
    
    Alternatively, you can use rclone in Termux to download the server files to the device. I use this to sync music from my server.
    
    For your PDF use case, unfortunately you will need to first download the file before opening it.
    
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RaoulDook@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Docker compose Nextcloud could allow you to define your standard Nextcloud server in a yml config file that’s reusable.

Example near the bottom of this page - hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud/

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- mranderson17@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  github.com/nextcloud/docker/tree/…/.examples
  
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AHorseWithNoNeigh@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Testing Opencloud docker myself but still having troubles with getting it working with my NAS

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kubok@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
You could look into Group-Office. Their community edition is open source and free. Looking a your list, it ticks all the boxes. It is also in active development; the Docker image is updated almost weekly.

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Nikki@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
ive enjoyed owncloud so far, runs well on my little i3 homelab

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percent@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’ve been pretty happy with Peergos

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fxdave@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
If you want to join developing an alternative, I’m in.

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