The People’s Answer to ICE: Crowdsourcing Community Defense

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• obinice@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Some sort of well organised community militia with the right to arm themselves, perhaps? Wait, that’s a great idea for addition to the Constitution, write that down!

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  • BD89@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    As soon as it really started gaining any kind of traction to be comparable in size and scope to the government they would try to kill everyone involved. And I hope wouldn’t succeed but…

    They don’t give a fuck about what the constitution says, sadly.

    And sure sure National Guard someone will say LOL they’ve killed us before and they’ll do it again because they are still government controlled.

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• verdantbanana@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  fuck that adhesive bandage just fucking full massive protest already

  only 2% turnout and imagine take 75%+ just to get this fixed

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  • BertramDitore@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Of course we need mass protest, it’s critical for building solidarity and sending messages to those in currently power, but by itself it doesn’t solve the problems. Sites like the one mentioned in the article are kind of a bandaid, sure, but when real peoples’ lives are on the line, and a bandaid donated by the community could save their life, why would you dismiss it out of hand like that? Seems pretty crass to me. Bigger systemic solutions are way better, obviously, but when the current power structure is incapable of providing those solutions, local communities need to come up with their own.

    An effective political movement needs protest to expose the problems and bring people on board, and then the movement needs to be get involved in local and national politics by running for office or working to elect people who share the values of those protesting, to convert that solidarity into political power. More than 7 million people turned out to protest last time. What, specifically, would be different about your full massive protest? How would you organize it differently to be more effective than the no kings protests? And would your new mass protest solve the practical problems the orgs in the article are working to solve on the ground right now?

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  • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Stopping blood loss saves lives. Bandaids keep cuts from festering into worse issues.

    Advocate for more sure, but don’t discourage people actually doing something/anything in the real world.

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    • verdantbanana@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      not sure patching this up any longer will work been a patch job for what 249? years

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  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why stop at 75%? Let’s just go for 100% since we’re not being reasonable.

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  • r0ertel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not 75%, just 3.5% is needed (probably).

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    • other_cat@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “The 3.5% participation metric may be useful as a rule of thumb in most cases; however, other factors—momentum, organization, strategic leadership, and sustainability—are likely as important as large-scale participation in achieving movement success and are often precursors to achieving 3.5% participation.”

      I feel like this needs to be underlined. Leadership figureheads, especially ones who can delegate or inspire others to act as sub-commanders, would be huge.

      Unfortunately, it’s hard to communicate and organize hierarchy in the climate we’re in now.

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