Court rules Europe can call nuclear and natural gas sustainable investments for its green transition

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• artiman@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  WTF how is natural gas green.... I can understand nuclear but natural gas is quite insane to call green

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  • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Because a green grid is impossible without a gas backup plant. Both in generation capacity and frequency stability.

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  • MBech@feddit.dk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You see, it has the word “natural” in its name. We all know that everything natural is good right?

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• MrMakabar@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This is just horrible reporting. Gas is not considered a sustainable green investment in the EU in all cases it needs to meet certain conditions. Most importantly the gas power plant needs to be converted to renewable or low carbon gaseous fuel by 2035.

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  • solo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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    • MrMakabar@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This is basically to allow projects to use fossil gas for a bit, until hydrogen or bio methane is available for the project. It takes years to built something like this and 2035 is only a decade away. That is very different from fossil gas is green period.

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• Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  • Coal is 820 to 1050 kg of CO2e per Megawatt Hour

  • Natural gas is 480 kg CO2e per Megawatt Hour

  • Nuclear is 20 to 50 kg CO2e per megawatt-hour

  • Wind is 25 grams of CO2 per Megawatt Hour.

  • Solar is 20-50 grams of CO2 per Megawatt Hour.

  (Numbers should not be considered accurate but relative scale is representative)

  The biggest issue here is that without a significant increase in battery capacity a stable renewable grid is impossible without Natural Gas powered generation.

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  • solariplex@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Forgot about hydropower, the OG and also most reliable renewable

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    • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I didn’t want to get into an argument about construction CO2 and emissions from the reservoir.

      But i would certainly class Hydro as green.

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• 0xtero@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Well that was easy. Now just rule that burning oil and coal is actually just totes OK and we’re done! First in the world, completely sustainable!

  Saving the planet has never been this easy!

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• DreamAccountant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Natural Gas is a fossil fuel. Natural Gas is a fossil fuel. Natural Gas is a fossil fuel.

  Who’s selling Natural Gas? Russia. Why would anyone declassify it as a greenhouse gas? So they can buy it from Russia. Who would do such a thing? Nazis that want to make money off of nazi Russia, and support its wars.

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• amelore@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  While it’s dumb to call it green, it’s fine and very useful to use it as part of a transition towards renewables. That’s what this is actually about, countries being allowed to use part of the funds for the energy transition for gas.

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• MasterBlaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Wow. Just… Wow.

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