friendlyjordies | manufacturing your consent.

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• Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Anyone who gets their house fire bombed for exposing corruption is deserving of respect in my book.

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  • khortits@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    agreed. not that they don’t have their issues

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    • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Agreed there too, my friend, nobody is

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    • ms_lane@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Agreed, he’ll never rag on Labor even though they’re anti-worker and anti-union.

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• Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The video creator boils Jordies views down to, Labor won’t change the system, they just want to be in the drivers seat of the shitshow. A slightly unfair take, because the creator doesn’t look at Jordies’ reasoning.

  Jordies’ reasoning is usually, Labor don’t have the power to get rid of the elite, everytime Labor try, they’re crushed. This is because being the party of government isn’t the only centre of power in this country. And while its very strong its a very transient form of power. Therefore Labor have to play ball to a certain extent with these other power centres, then setting up the best direction politically possible in the time they have.

  Theres other systems Australia could move to, where power is distributed differently, as the video creator obliquely suggested. But the creator has an underlying assumption those undiscussed alternative systems would, in fact, be better for the country. And most importantly, that the Australian people would see and appreciate the benefits, readily agreeing.

  But his critiscisms of Jordies are very valid. If i decide to listen I always take Jordies and crew as partially informed commentators, and not to be relied upon for your base of information on a subject.

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• eureka@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I rarely watch fj, so I’m not who they’re talking about, but Manufacturing Consent is the first political theory book I properly read. It’s certainly worth a read and clearly still relevant today (but if you know you never will read it, at least read the wikipedia summary). The book can be easily downloaded online for free.

  Reminder for the newer crowd: “This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.”

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  There are chapters in this video labelled “corporatism”, and I think this is one of the few times I’ve seen that poor term used correctly.

  The word “corporatism” is so often misunderstood and misused instead of “corporatocracy”, a system where business corporations have strong influence in politics (which is effectively just describing capitalism…).

  But corporatism isn’t even referring to these corporations, it’s derived from the word ‘corpus’; body, to refer to a system where economic interest groups like guilds and labour associations, collectively bargain on the basis of their common interests. Notably, it advocates for class collaboration rather than class struggle, an idea which sounds pretty nice in a speech but has repeatedly resulted in domination of labour by either the owning class or the state, and the suffering of the worker class, who has been disempowered by being forced into collaborating at a rigged table.

  While corporatism has a long and varied history, and I don’t mean to oversimplify it, corporatism is especially well-known as a core aspect in Fascist ideology [wikipedia]. It’s no coincidence that the video author is drawing comparisons to Mussolini’s face on the Palazzo Braschi. The fascists said a lot of contradictory, arrogant and garbage things in speeches, but one can’t ignore this quote of ᴉuᴉʅossnW in The Doctrine of Fascism:

  “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.”

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• Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Damn, I almost didn’t watch this video because the title and body of this post made me think it was an FJ video and that you were just new around here and didn’t think people would already know who he is. But that impression could not have been more wrong! So glad that I came back to reread the comments here and realised the video was worth watching after all.

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  • biscuitswalrus@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Thank you, I wouldn’t have chucked this onto a watch later without you specifically noting it wasn’t a FJ video.

    Tbh I didn’t think fj would be disliked around here. I’m personally of the opinion that he’s a dochebag and I won’t really watch him. But he’ll take on a fight and publicise problems that should be brought to light. But like any comedian, his job is entertainment and he doesn’t entertain me.

    I assume I’ve just missed some scandals. As opposed to my shallow depth dislike of him as a human from internet vibes.

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      No specific scandals I don’t think. To a large extent it is vibes-based.

      This video does a good job of explaining the underlying problems that give some of us those vibes. I think most people on Reddit don’t like him because of the general larrikinism and “look at me” attitude. Personally I never liked that, but more importantly I never liked his shit political takes. He heads (or headed?) up a Facebook group called “the Common Sense Brigade”. They’re a bunch of anti-Greens trolls. And Jordies himself has gone on anti-Greens tirades before, showing a very clear pro-establishment bias and fundamental lack of understanding of our political system, wherein he claims support for the Greens is helping the LNP get into power.

      I like the work he did calling out Bruz and the gambling lobby. But when it comes to the problems with Labor and institutional power, he drops the ball (or rather: he carries the ball precisely where the status quo wants it to be).

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• Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  he gives me ick, dunno why.

  i watched him as a teen growing up in regional nsw, now i just see him as a labor shill.

  not to say he doesnt do good work sometimes, his joirnolistic standards are extremely high, especially compared to most other media. just gives me bad vibes…

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• praxis_jack@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Not from aus but I love this channel. He collabs with boy boy and I did a thing who are also really great YouTubers

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