Has anyone else seen evidence of Robert Maxwell, Ghlisaine's father, as someone who "rescued" kids or even trafficked them?

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

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Came across the above link (view in Desktop mode) claiming to be an article from 1990 saying that Robert Maxwell not only intervened with these children, they put them on his plane. I was trying to find more information amd stumbled on this link after reading the below article which said that Maxwell “may also have helped Jews get out of Romania in the 1980s.”

It struck me at the time, with how many similarities Maxwell had to Epstein including a love of Ghilsaine, huge financial fraud concerns, and a death that mamy think could have been murder. And how many people who fight trafficking end up as human traffickers themselves because it allowed them access to victims. Has anyone else heard these claims?

timesofisrael.com/did-father-robert-maxwells-earl…

It would be interesting if he really was human trafficking those kids, and it would mean that Ghilsaine wasn’t likely recruited by Epstein after her father died, but rather she recruited him to continue her work.

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bradorsomething@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Only thing that stands out about him was the number of former Mossad directors that went to his funeral. Rumors he helped pinch nuclear secrets from the UK.

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solrize@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t see anything in those articles that’s particularly in conflict with the stuff that was all over the press around the time of the Epstein and G. Maxwell busts. Everyone knows Robert Maxwell was an obnoxious Rupert Murdoch type who nonetheless did a lot of philanthropy. Epstein also did philanthropy. The articles don’t say Robert “trafficked” kids in the sense that Epstein did. He got a bunch of them taken to Israel (per the article–I hadn’t heard this story before but it doesn’t seem sensational) and lent his personal plane for the operation, no big deal. The stuff about him abusing Ghislaine is new to me but I guess it fits the general picture.

I don’t particularly remember about Epstein committing financial fraud though I didn’t pay close attention. It sounded to me more he had a bunch of ultra rich people investing with him and he also trafficked teenagers to them and maybe blackmailed them too. Those are very serious crimes but not financial fraud per se. The investments themselves made money, which was very easy to do in that era as financial markets in general were doing very well. I saw a news article claiming that Epstein pretended to be an investment genius and his clients treated him as a wizard, but in fact he just put everything in index funds like a common sense retail investor would. The index funds made money so the clients were happy.

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- LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Right, this would be speculation/fact-finding to get more info on this aspect of Robert Maxwell (his connections to moving at risk people around). Imo it’s super weird that he has these ties to “refugees” yet no refugee has come forward to thank him? And it’s actually pretty hard to find articles about it? Yet it seems to somehow be somewhat common knowledge.
  
  He named his boat after Ghislaine. Reeks of parentification/making her his spouse. He had 9 children total so it’s super weird.
  
  Epstein is known for being a fraudster and a thief. Including by his buddy Les Wexner, who claims Epstein “misappropriated funds.” And he was fired by Bear Stearns for similar issues.
  
  I think Ghilsaine would keep quiet as this information not only implicates her, but her dad and entire family. It does nothing to benefit her and may cause her to have more charges brought against her. Critical thinking and analyzing public health risks like human traffickers isn’t “voyeurism.”
  
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  - solrize@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Well, there is not much that can be done now about Robert (dead) or Ghislaine (locked up). You’re better informed about Epstein than I was. As for the refugees thanking Robert, has anyone asked them? They were kids, it was decades ago, etc., but probably some of them are still around and would remember. I don’t see how “Robert abused Ghislaine” implicates Ghislaine and if anything seems like something she could have used in a plea for lighter sentencing. I don’t know what parentification is but yeah it’s well known that Ghislaine was Robert’s favorite. I read some of the news coverage when the story was all over the press, but don’t know any more than what little I remember from that.
    
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