And people laughed at me for sticking with my MOS 6502. Who’s laughing now?
There is no fix for Intel’s crashing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs — any damage is permanent
Submitted 3 months ago by QuantumSpecter@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/26/24206529/intel-13th-14th-gen-crashing-instability-cpu-voltage-q-a
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ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 3 months ago
tal@lemmy.today 3 months ago
“Pure, passive cooling. No fans or moving parts. Will be working a century from now.”
floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Will still be working on the same problem a century from now.
taaz@biglemmowski.win 3 months ago
If your CPU is crashing/unstable then hes, damage is already done, but for the few of us who bought them later just uodate your bios to the latest one, set intel defaults, do not overclock and wait for the microcode update.
Though I do wonder if Intel isn’t just stalling for time, I do hope they are not. Didn’t wanna touch my build for next ~5 years.
tal@lemmy.today 3 months ago
That is, disappointingly, not sufficient to guarantee avoiding damage. I did all that on my first processor (13900KF) before ever inserting my replacement processor (14900KF) into the motherboard. The replacement processor still destroyed itself.
Processor 1 used only motherboard defaults and managed to destroy itself.
Processor 2 used only Intel recommended settings, no XMP memory profile, no Intel turbo boost, more conservative then motherboard defaults.
I did not try running a processor for its lifetime at minimum memory speed or with only 1 core active. It’s possible that that might be sufficient to avoid damage. If I hadn’t already gone AMD over this, that’s what I’d be doing now until Intel comes out with their update. Not gonna do much by way of fancy gaming, but at least the system’s usable and won’t destroy itself.
systemglitch@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Rather get Ryzen and not deal with this.
kombos@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
There is also a corrosion issue. No software update will fix that. Intel purposely misled the media on that.
BobGnarley@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Real shit, can you sue them for this? I mean they aren’t stopping selling them even knowing they are faulty. Seriously, how can you get your money back from these vultures.
BobGnarley@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Vote with your wallet and don’t ever get anything from this piece or shit trash ass company again. What a joke.
BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 3 months ago
What did they mess from 12th?
Cort@lemmy.world 3 months ago
13th & 14th Gen were just higher voltage and clock speed and boost time limit versions of 12th Gen. It seems like they just over did it
CatZoomies@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Holy crap I barely escaped. I needed an upgrade years ago and settled on the i7-12700k. After I ride this chip out I’m switching to AMD.
I really hope customers get justice in this debacle. We need a lawsuit now.
BobGnarley@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Money grab because they didn’t have anything new to actually bring to the table this time.
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 3 months ago
13th and 14th gen are literally the exact same hardware as 12th gen, but with boosted clock speeds and power requirements.
But they made the rookie mistake of not adequately dealing with heat dissipation (which is easy to make when overclocking,) and chips are burning out.
tal@lemmy.today 3 months ago
I don’t think that the voltage issue is simply heat, not unless it is some kind of extremely-localized or extremely-short-in-time issue internal to the chip. I hit the problem with a very hefty water cooler that didn’t let the attached processor ever get very warm, at least as the processor reported temperatures.
Wendell, at Level1Techs, who did an earlier video with Steve Burke talking about this, looked over a dataset of hundreds of machines. They were running with conservative speed settings, in a datacenter where all temperatures were being logged, and he said that the hottest he ever saw on any hotspot on any processor in his dataset was, IIRC, 85 degrees, and normally they were well below that. He saw about a 50% failure rate.
If we hit the problem on our well-cooled CPUs, if the CPU simply getting hot were a problem, I’d have expected people running them in hotter environments to have slammed into the thing immediately. Ditto for Intel – I’d guess (I’d hope) that part of their QA cycle involves running the processors in an industrial oven, as a way to simulate more-serious conditions.
BobGnarley@lemm.ee 3 months ago
So glad I spent like $2K on a computer with one of these in it that has custom firmware and BIOS on it. Guess I’m just fucked eh? Never buying Intel ever again.
BobGnarley@lemm.ee 3 months ago
It really sucks that the only chips that support openbios and custom firmware is from such a shit company like this.
WHY will AMD and Nvidia not support it? I’m running out of options. Guess I’ll just stick with old ass computers from now on.
FUCK Intel.
kowcop@aussie.zone 3 months ago
I thought I read that Intel said this was from messing with voltages? I have had plenty of these processors in the last couple of years and never experienced crashes, but I don’t overclock
tal@lemmy.today 3 months ago
That was one initial theory, but it’s known to not be the cause. An earlier video that Steve Burke and Wendell from A1techs did had Wendell examine several hundred CPUs that were running in servers on non-Z790 motherboards (another source of potential problems that was initially blamed) at conservative settings, known and logged temperature for the lifetime of the server (so not temperature). He still saw about a 50% failure rate.
I also personally destroyed one of my CPUs with motherboard default settings, and the other with Intel’s recommended settings (less aggressive than the motherboard defaults), so I can personally attest to this not just being people running with crazy voltages or something.
There may also be other issues that people have caused by doing something else, but the elephant in the room has been narrowed down to processors destroying themselves while running well within spec.
BobGnarley@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Nah that was Intel trying to make excuses so it seemed like a competent company.
MeatStiq@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Ryzen life.
BobGnarley@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Man I just hate that you can’t disable to PSP spyware bullshit. It’s the only reason I don’t use them
lemmeout@lemm.ee 3 months ago
What?
Alchalide@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Same and also went with Radeon graphics this time. Very happy with my decision.