Submitted 4 months ago by tootnbuns@lemmy.dbzer0.com to selfhosted@lemmy.world
I’m thinking of picking up an old HP Microserver (gen8) and was wondering if it is a bad idea from a security standpoint.
I mean it’s only 10 years old - is there any exploit or something like that?
What about a N36L Microserver?
I’d probably run Debian headless on it.
I’d only use it for Syncthing and as a backup NAS.
Its not worth the energy cost, honestly. Plus you’ll be quite limited on memory, which reduces the potential uses. Any $200 minipc from the last 5 years would be a better buy.
They're pretty slow, come with less RAM and replacement parts have become more expensive, because they're not as available as ones for modern computers. Also my N54l consumes like 45W in idle...
I wouldn't spend money on one, today. You can probably get something faster and more capable for less money. Security isn't an issue though. That mostly depends on the operating system you put on it, not the hardware.
What would you get nowadays looking at that 5 year mark?
Uh, that really depends on the use-case.
I like to follow the recommendations of the German PC magazine c't: https://www.heise.de/ratgeber/Bauvorschlag-fuer-einen-sparsamen-Heimserver-aus-c-t-3-2024-9587594.html
Other than that: An Intel NUC, one of those cheap chinese Mini-PCs from Amazon where you get 16GB of RAM, a fairly recent processor generation and 512GB SSD for like $250 or my advice: get a refurbished laptop for $250. That's energy efficient by design and has everything on board.
Downsides of these approaches: You don't get a lot of SATA ports for harddisks, if at all... So for storage, I wouldn't consider those. So it's gonna be an old PC, Server or NAS. Comparing mainboards and energy efficiency isn't easy. That's why I rely on PC magazines.
If you're not from a country where electricity is that expensive, you might want to have a look at some of those refurbished PC shops. An server or a Dell Workstation from 5 years ago should be affordable.
I’ve had n40L and N54L, still running one, and I would absolutely not suggest buying one. They’re too old and underpowered. They’re honestly quite inconvenient to service. If you get one for free, then sure, but if you’re going to spend money, you can get something cheap, more powerful, and easier to work on, like a used optiplex.
I was just thinking yesterday that I should replace my one remaining N40L instead of waiting for it to die.
I know everyone has their own opinions of them but I’m a fan for what they are. Right now I have 3 of them that I’ve gathered over the years (one with ESXi hosting my firewall, one with TrueNas for backups, and one with ProxMox for a few LXCs).
Overall, they are great little boxes, I had three of them in my living room for years when I was renting and they were pretty much completely silent after boot. The dual core celeron that comes with it works, but can be upgraded to a Xeon e3-1265l v2 (quad core + HT) for $25-50. RAM I think maxes at 16GB, but if you want a box to run a dozen light services or so, its not a bad box (insanely quiet and pretty power efficient).
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| NAS | Network-Attached Storage |
| SBC | Single-Board Computer |
| SSD | Solid State Drive mass storage |
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I wouldn’t get one unless it was dirt cheap. The CPU wasn’t that great when it was new, now an ARM SBC will outperform it using a fraction of the power.
It can be fine, I’m using a comparable machine, you have to do the math for whether the power bills are worth it. What cpu does it have and how hard do you plan to run it?
I have a big boi ProLiant DL380e Gen8 and it’s pretty good as long as you have a dedicated room for it as it’s really loud. If you get them for really cheap like I did (I got mine maxed out for less than 100$), then yeah it’s a good deal.
It’s not amazing on power consumption either with like 130W at idle… I’d imagine the smaller ones using use less power, but I wouldn’t count on it. However, if the price is right, then it could absolutely be worth it… If you can withstand the noise.
poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
With hardware like that the main issues are power inefficiency and (often) lack of UEFI support making it hard to install modern distros on them.
Otherwise there should be mitigations for the CPU issues, so unlikely that it will be a real issue from the security perspective.