Comment on US grid adds batteries at 10x the rate of natural gas in first half of 2024

• Arkouda@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I enjoy how much effort it takes to ignore how batteries are produced in order to argue for them in a comparison with natural gas.

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  • SeaJ@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I enjoy that you are making a strawman. Nobody ever said batteries have no negatives. You asked how they were leaner than natural gas. I answered. Sorry that the answer hurt your feelings.

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    • Arkouda@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How exactly is the production of batteries cleaner and cheaper than the production of natural gas?

      On to your bullshit “answer”:

      Mostly because natural gas is a one and done thing when it is used.

      Has nothing to do with the production.

      Batteries can be recycled.

      Nothing to do with base production, again.

      Production of natural gas is largely done through racking which destroys the groundwater. While batteries often require mining

      Finally! Production!

      Oh no… So apparently mining doesn’t impact ground water in anyway? What about nearby rivers? Lakes?

      (excluding mechanical ones), they often can be broken down and reused in new batteries.

      You already said batteries can be recycled. No shit Shirlocke, doesn’t make the mines have less impact.

      And of course there is the greenhouse gas emissions from methane that are horrible.

      What about all of the GHG to open and maintain a Lithium mine? Transport of raw Lithium to production lines? The refining of Lithium for use in batteries?

      Etc. Etc.

      Methane is extremely leaky. Methane usage emits about as much greenhouse gas emissions as coal does.

      Yup, that is true. Doesn’t mean that batteries are a “green” alternative when they do just as much damage and use a resource that is far more finite.

      I enjoy that you are making a strawman. Nobody ever said batteries have no negatives. You asked how they were leaner than natural gas. I answered. Sorry that the answer hurt your feelings.

      I do love how people like you always default to “sorry I hurt your feelings” like some knob who thinks I don’t believe in climate change actually has an impact on my mental health and feelings.

      Player one syndrome is strong with you young padawan, look into that before it gets terminal.

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      • gumnut@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You’re missing the point. When you “mine” natural gas and burn it for heat, it’s gone. It disappears (and produces harmful GHG in the process) You have to keep doing this to get more output. When you mine materials for batteries, you end up with a physical thing that persists, can be used over and over and can be recycled into new batteries at end of life. This means the amount of mining required for renewables + batteries is proportional to only the addition of new capacity, whereas the amount of “mining” for fossil fuels is proportional to the total gross energy output (including significant heat losses) We’re mining a lot of battery materials now, but that’s because we’re adding a crapload of capacity.

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