Comment on Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app?

• woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s three clicks.

  So it’s only three clicks, ergo easy.

  And it opens a separate chat from the existing one.

  I don’t see the problem. The secret one has the lock icon to clearly mark it. There’s no way one would accidentally pick the wrong chat. Delete the old, unencrypted one to be sure.

  It’s obscure enough that you could say the UX deprioritizes (which at best is not an actively malicious design choice) usage of end-to-end encryption.

  I agreed in another comment that there should be an “encrypted by default” option somewhere. I’m not claiming that it’s perfect but the claim in the blog that it’s super complicated is just not true. At least calls are P2P-encrypted by default.

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  • quaff@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ah good point, gotta delete the old unencrypted chat too to avoid confusion. That’s definitely more than just 3 clicks.

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    • PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah I mean if you started one. If you went in with a secret chat in the first place then it wouldn’t be an issue. And so it’s one extra click vs. starting a normal chat. I hope it hasn’t inconvenienced you more than it’s taken for all these replies.

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  • quaff@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you’re talking to 30 people, it’s 90 clicks. It might be 3 clicks if you know where to look, but end of the day, even if you know where to find it, that’s still that many clicks times how many people you chat with. It’s not ideal. I wouldn’t say it’s complicated sure, but it’s not easy.

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    • woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you’re talking to 30 people, it’s 90 clicks.

      Uh, so? A “compose message” button is the approach many communication apps use, including e-mail. Don’t get me started how many clicks it is to GPG-encrypt e-mails…

      It’s not ideal.

      I don’t know how many times I have to repeat myself that I agree on that part. You act as I would disagree. I don’t. It could be better but it’s also not a complicated nightmare as the blog author makes it out to be.

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      • quaff@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Right. But it’s also not exactly “easy” which is what you’re saying it is.

        If easy was a sliding scale. Easy would be enabled by default. Hard would be making it obscure and hard to find. I would say it’s definitely closer to the harder to find side. But that’s just me. But 3 clicks, and having to switch chats and maybe delete the old one to avoid confusion, none of that is easy.

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• rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Anything harder than usual in the same application means it won’t usually be used.

  And encryption is about collective immunity. So everything should be encrypted.

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