Comment on Founder and CEO of Telegram messaging service arrested in France

• CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How do you moderate something you can’t know about?

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  • snooggums@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I assume that proving they can’t know about it would be part of the defense if it goes to trial.

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    • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That is the point of E2EE. If anyone but the sender and receiver can see the messages then it’s not E2EE. This is the part that politicians and governments don’t understand (or just ignore). The idea that some designated authority can look at the messages when needed is entirely at odds with E2EE. It’s as valid as true = false or 2 + 2 = cat.

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      • snooggums@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Although Telegram does use end-to-end encryption, it isn’t the default option. Many users don’t know this; they automatically assume their conversations are 100% secure.

        On the other hand, the app does nothing to inform them about the “Secret Chat” option. Once a user kick-starts a new chat, Telegram stays silent about options other than the default.

        Look, if this was an app that allowed for E2EE on all communication and did not store any of the communication on some company’s servers I would be saying France is completely 100% wrong. France is wrong in saying the encryption is the problem, but they are partially right about Telegram not complying with legal requirements as it does not encrypt all communication and it should be obligated to comply with criminal investigations just like they would be obligated if they were a mail delivery service.

        Just because something is on the internet doesn’t mean it isn’t subject to warrants. If a company can be compelled to provide written documentation in their possession, the same is true for electronic. That company should not be obligated to undermine their own encryption though.

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