Comment on Why are so many leaders in tech evil?

• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah, for me too. Because I love practically everything he says when it comes to software.

  “The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, ‘prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia’ also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally–but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.”

  RMS on June 28th, 2003

  “I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.”

  RMS on June 5th, 2006

  "There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.

  RMS on Jan 4th, 2013

  In the interest of fairness, he did claim to have changed his mind on some of this, although that only happened 2 days after his job became on the line after making strange comments about Epstein.

  For me, suddenly having a change of heart on a decades-held (and publicly-championed) opinion, only to suddenly change your mind the second it threatens your job seems a bit too convenient, so I’m unwilling to believe it.

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Holy shit…

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    as long as no one is coerced

    Well, the opinion that a child can consent is technically acceptable, because the line at 12,13,14,16,18,21 years is arbitrarily drawn which is why it differs in various countries.

    But in practice he should have used common sense and at least drawn his own line.

    “I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.”

    That’s scary, but I’m not sure how really wrong he is. The issue is again with child’s consent being less certain, affected more easily by various distractions.

    so I’m unwilling to believe it.

    So am I, the question is whether he has internal consistency or not in his views. If yes, it’s still better than, well, just being a jerk and proud of it.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, the opinion that a child can consent is technically acceptable, because the line at 12,13,14,16,18,21 years is arbitrarily drawn which is why it differs in various countries.

      But in practice he should have used common sense and at least drawn his own line.

      This charitable interpretation doesn’t make sense when you remember that he also says it’s a shame people can’t have sex with animals/their family pets. They definitely cannot consent, even if you argue that a 12 year old could (which I’d also disagree with).

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      • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Well, a cat is what, equivalent to an 8yo in terms of intelligence? My intention is to be charitable with interpretations. It makes arguments better.

        even if you argue that a 12 year old could (which I’d also disagree with).

        I don’t, but I think in Iceland age of consent is 13 and in some Russian regions 14 in certain situations (generally 16). Talking about laws.

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  • wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I would say it’s not a sincere change. It’s groupthink.

    Well the skit keeps getting smaller and smaller

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You think being against having sex with infants is “groupthink” (i.e. a group pressuring individuals into having – or expressing – an irrational or dysfunctional view)?

      I don’t think that’s true. I’m against raping children because it’s wrong.

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      • wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That isn’t what I said at all. It’s weird that you would come to that conclusion. What I clearly said is his change is just repeating what he was told to say. I don’t think his views changed, he is just repeating what people want to hear.

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