The process of collective disarming is the path towards growing past war. And that first step is the collective banning of manufacturing such weapons.
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pennomi@lemmy.world 5 weeks agoUnfortunately this is basic game theory, so the “smart” thing is to have the weapons, but avoid war.
Once we’ve grown past war, we can disarm, but it couldn’t happen in the opposite order.
JayDee@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
pennomi@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I disagree. War isn’t caused by weapons. It’s caused by racism, religious strife, economic hardship, natural resource exploitation, and more. Those need fixed before anyone will be willing to put away their weapons.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
War isn’t caused by weapons.
It’s enabled by weapons.
And there are people who want to use weapons when they exist, simply because they exist.
pennomi@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Obviously it’s enabled by weapons. But that strengthens my point further - the nation who reduces their weapons first loses.
When has a nation completely set down their weapons, and what was the effect? One obvious case that comes to mind is Ukraine, who fully denuclearized. Ever since that moment they have repeatedly been invaded by Russia (the nation who maintained the weapons).
What you suggest is asking for this to repeat over and over again. The only truly viable path to eradicating war, is to first eradicate the problems that cause war, then to abolish weapons.
If you have factual evidence that your method works, please present it. I shared hard evidence of my perspective.
boatswain@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
Life doesn’t adhere to waterfall methodology: we don’t have to do one first, and then the other. We can progressively disarm as we’re addressing the problems you mentioned…
pennomi@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Fair enough, but there’s still far too much conflict to begin demilitarization at this point in time. What we can mostly agree on is to limit the world to being destroyed 55 times over by nuclear weapons (by UN estimates). And that’s in a world where nobody has actually used nuclear weapons (offensively) in 90 years.
These kinds of things take so many generations because the fundamental conflict between humans is not resolved. If there had been no Cold War, maybe we would have totally denuclearized by now, but I still doubt it.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
“Basic game theory” says we should destroy this wacko system. jfc.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
But what until then? Your ideas do not provide any solutions. You just say that it is unavoidable as it is.
balder1991@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Because there’s no solution that we know of.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
But now you know it because I have told you in the first post.
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Game theory says your idea isn’t a solution because the actors will disobey.
pennomi@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I don’t think I’m smart enough to solve “world peace” lol.