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RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yup. And on descriptive grounds, the whole thing falls into a false dichotomy: treating free speech as an all-or-nothing matter, instead treating freedom of speech as a scale. And that giving someone complete freedom of speech always means restricting the freedom of speech of someone else.

  (I typically exemplify this through a guy with a megaphone in an offline plaza. Telling him to drop off the megaphone reduces his ability to reach willing listeners, thus his freedom of speech; but if you leave him alone nobody else can be heard, so their freedom of speech is lowered.)

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Thank you, you put it better than I could. It’s not binary, it’s not all or nothing. You can have some freedom of speech and yet still not really have freedom of speech if you’re silenced by those who disagree.

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  • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yes, your megaphone example is a special case of the paradox of tolerance. In this instance, tolerance of loud voices means quiet voices are drowned out.

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    • lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s related - Popper’s paradox highlights that you can’t compromise with some people, while my focus is that you need to impose some limits.

      It’s easy to tweak the example though, to be more like the paradox - if the megaphone guy is telling people to kick off the plaza some people, or saying stuff to make them leave.

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      • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yes, or if multiple people get into a megaphone arms race and are all noise blasting each other so hard that no one can hear anything anymore.

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• DreitonLullaby@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Looks like you care zilch for free speech. If you and others with this opinion cared for free speech, you would promote your own alternative ideas on those platforms to even things out, instead of whining that there’s more opposing views to yours on the platform than not.

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Did you specifically skip past the past where I said they silence dissent?

    But thanks for telling me what I believe.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Do they? Do you have evidence?

      Because I’m interested in YT alternatives. I pay for Nebula, and I’m interested in other platforms as well, especially if they champion free speech (like, actual free speech, not whatever Musk means by “free speech”).

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      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Sure. Me. I’ve had comments deleted by admins when I criticized things like Russia feeding arms to Iran, operating misinformation campaigns, and generally trying to destabilize democracies.

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  • lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    “If you really cared about free speech you wouldn’t be using your free speech to call out Nazis”

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