Do you even know what the word shill means?
Like wtf do you think I’m trying to sell?
Shills gonna shill
gmtom@lemmy.world 10 months ago
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 10 months ago
it seems you’re selling that idea that China = USA as to minimize bad actions by China.
gmtom@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Thats not really a thing you sell and I literally start my comment with
I mean, ill always say that China is worse than the US
So it seems you really just cant cope with the fact that the US is a bad guy as well.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 10 months ago
ideas are sold every day. maybe there is a reason you want to focus on the US instead? hmm weird no that can’t be true at all.
June@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I tend to lean into accepting that ‘the US government has done some pretty horrific shit too’ camp, but I don’t do it as a way to shill for China, because fuck that authoritarian place. But it is dumb not to recognize massacres like Kent State, Tulsa, or the systematic genocides of First Nations peoples.
Tiananmen Square really isn’t the best example to use as an example of how China isn’t like the US. There’s plenty of much more insidious dystopian shit happening in China every day to use than that.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 10 months ago
this article isn’t about the US. I believe there is a reason so many in so many threads like that do what you’re doing and worse. THE TOPIC IS NOT THE US, STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT THAT WAY
archomrade@midwest.social 10 months ago
Jesus Christ, this thread is cursed.
Circling back to the article: it would be easier to name software that doesn’t collect your data and send/sell it to your respective government. The point being made in this thread is that it isn’t just a China problem. If you think you’re safe from government observation just because you don’t live in China, I have bad news for you.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 10 months ago
I think you know without doubt that this is something NO ONE ever ever ever said. You know this. And yet still – you want to make this about the united states. Maybe you can explain a way that this got brought up without China shills infecting the thread?
Because the article is not about the US. It’s not.
hark@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I think it’s a response to how there are so many CHINA BAD articles. You could take each article as isolated, but there is the idea of manufacturing consent and it’s how people develop negative feelings towards particular things after seeing so many negative articles about them.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 10 months ago
China IS bad. Changing the subject isn’t the reaction of an unbiased person.
HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 10 months ago
Well, you can post all the bad shit the US has done.
China IS A BAD ACTOR on the international, national, regional, and Municipal levels. The whole state apparatus is corrupted.
June@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I’m not trying to change the subject from China to the US, I’m trying to point out that the example of Tiananmen Square is not the best example to use as a distinguishing factor for China vs the US when there are numerous examples of the US commuting similar atrocities throughout its history.
The current and active oppression and genicide of the Uyghurs.
The brutal silencing of political and ideological ‘dissidents’.
The openly dystopian social credit system being developed.
The suppression of free speech and self-expression.
There is a long list of examples to pull from that set China apart from the US.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
It’s called Whataboutism. Very common deflection tactic.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 10 months ago
yep
gmtom@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yeah exactly my point.