Comment on Tesla Steers Onto Train Tracks It Apparently Mistook for a Road, Police Warn
NutWrench@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This is that “AI” that investors keep jerking themselves purple over.
Real “Self driving cars” will not be available in our lifetimes.
I don’t believe that. Based on how far AI has come in the recent years I think it’s only a matter of time before someone (other than Tesla) manages to do it well.
The biggest problem with the Tesla Auto pilot is Elon. Just the fact that he insists on using only camera-based vision because “people only need their eyes to drive” should tell you all you need to know about their AI.
And you believe and think that why? Most of us criticizing do that, because we have some idea what machine learning is and what it simply doesn’t solve. It’s not a hard to get knowledge.
I think it’s unreasonable to state that it won’t happen within our lifetime. That’s hopefully 60+ years away for me. It’s a long time for computing and general AI development to advance. Just look at how much has happened in the technology field for the past 30 years.
“It always seems impossible until it’s done.” - Nelson Mandela
Sorry, but this is again abstractions and philosophy, in the genre of Steve Jobs themed motivational texts. Which I hate with boredom (get tired quickly of hating with passion).
Many things have been called “AI” and many will be. I’m certain some will bring very important change. And those may even use ML somewhere. For classification and clustering parts most likely, and maybe even extrapolation, but that’d be subject to a system of symbolic logic working above them at least, and they’ll have to find a way of adding entropy.
What they call “AI” now definitely won’t. Fundamentally.
“It always seems impossible until it’s done.” - Nelson Mandela
Quoting that one guy who hasn’t been hanged\shot\beheaded while many many many more other people trying the same have been. Survivor’s error and such.
Now AI may or may not be overhyped but Tesla’s self-driving nonsense isn’t AI regardless. Just pattern recognition it is not the neural net everyone assumes it is.
It really shouldn’t be legal, this tech will never work because it doesn’t include lidar so it lacks depth perception. Of course humans also don’t have lidar, but we have depth perception built in thanks billions of years of evolution. But computers don’t do too well with stereoscopic vision for 3D calculations, and really can do with actual depth information being provided to them.
If you lack depth perception, and higher reasoning skills, for a moment you might actually think that a train driving past you is a road. 3D perception would have told the software that the train was vertical and not horizontal, and thus was a barrier and not a driving surface.
Just pattern recognition it is not the neural net everyone assumes it is.
Tesla’s current iteration of self-driving is based on neural networks. Certainly the computer vision is; there’s no other way we have of doing computer vision that works at all well and, according to this article from last year it’s true for the decision-making too.
Of course, the whole task of self-driving is “pattern recognition”; neural networks are just one way of achieving that.
We have gone from cruise control to cars being able to drive themselves quite well in about a decade. The last percentage points of reliability are of course the hardest, but that’s a tremendously pessimistic take.
baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 3 months ago
It have existed for decades, and they are very safe.
They are trains 🚊 / trams 🚋
HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Trams and trains have drivers.
ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
not all of them
en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_driverless_train_syste…
Serinus@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I can afford to have a driver if I’m splitting the cost with 400 of my closest friends.
ours@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Subways not trains/trams, which makes sense since they are in a mostly closed system. The French one is closed off and doors slide open on the dock so that passengers can board the cars. This particular system also runs on pneumatic wheels on a rail. I guess for easier accuracy with braking/acceleration?
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 months ago
We-ell, there have been bugs causing train collisions, but there also have been train collisions caused by machinist’s error or some other misfortune, so.