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When your fellow lefty tries to murder you, I can see why you would switch pretty quickly.

Why? To put it in concrete terms, the person that tried to assassinate Trump was, by all accounts, a hard-right conservative. Would it be reasonable to expect Trump to make a hard left turn? I’ve been sexually assaulted by a gay man; would I be reasonable in taking that experience, and extrapolating that to mean that all gay men were just lying in wait to sexually assault straight men?

The truth is that people that truly believe in their core values don’t tend to change those values overnight. It’s almost always a long, drawn-out process, regardless of how deeply traumatic an event might be. The speed at which Rittenhouse changed course leads me to believe that he was either never left of center in the first place, or doesn’t hold any moral/ethical beliefs very deeply. Given that he is, by all accounts, quite dumb, it could readily be the latter.

I support college for inmates, even if they are never getting out. Education is a good thing.

Sure. And I agree. We need significant criminal justice reform, even for people that we’ve decided are too dangerous to ever get out. But most people will get out, eventually, and they need some kind of opportunities if they aren’t going to end up getting recycled right back into the system. I’ve found that approaching prison reform from a utilitarian perspective appeals more to people that trend conservative than moral appeals about education being good for it’s own sake, and therefore something that we should be making available to prisoners. Esp. since there are a lot of people–mostly conservatives–that will say, ‘well, I had to pay for it, so why should someone else get it for free?’

By protecting the property

…That’s not a very leftist view, TBH. Valuing property over the people themselves is more of a typical capitalist view. To quote MLK Jr., “But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again.”

I started my career as a combat medic in the Army. We carried rifles.

Not my point. My point was that he had very, very limited training in dealing with medical emergencies. In a real medical emergency, he would have been absolutely useless. AFAIK, he hasn’t taken a basic ‘stop the bleed’ class, much less a combat lifesaver course. (And, TBH, I haven’t been able to find the latter anywhere in my area, which makes it prohibitively expensive, but I’m at least up for stopping most bleeds and have a solid IFAK that I keep on my gun belt.)

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wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

To put it in concrete terms, the person that tried to assassinate Trump was, by all accounts, a hard-right conservative.

We have no idea what that guy’s politics were. Everyone is speculating but we really don’t know.

. Esp. since there are a lot of people–mostly conservatives–that will say, ‘well, I had to pay for it, so why should someone else get it for free?’

Prisoners are unique. It keeps them occupied instead of getting themselves in further trouble.

Here is some irony for you. My girlfriend worked in a state prison for awhile. When it was a private prison, the education options and the food quality were expanded. They did a cost analysis and said that if we treat them like people, we need fewer guards and have fewer infractions of the policies. When they state took it back over, they removed most of the education options and went back to the shit food.

I am not advocating for private prisons but I did find it interesting they expanded the quality of prison life because it saved money. Maybe the state should think about that.

a real medical emergency, he would have been absolutely useless. AFAIK, he hasn’t taken a basic ‘stop the bleed’ class, much less a combat lifesaver course

You don’t know but you assume he would have been useless? In all fairness, Kyle showed extreme self-control and discipline that day. He only engaged targets that were a threat, only hit the targets he was aiming at and was not distracted when they were screaming after being shot. I suspect he would do fine in a medical emergency.

And yet, here we are, talking about a Republican presser where the target was both a felon and a rapist, and has been found to be such in court. So ima say no, Dems don’t have the lock on felonies or sex crimes.

The felony charges will be overturned, and Trump was never convicted of rape. He was found liable for rape but not guilty of rape. They know that they couldn’t have gotten a criminal conviction outside of the Mickey Mouse court. The standards of evidence would have never worked in a criminal court. Surprised it worked in a civil court. I suspect that will be overturned in appeals as well.

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- HelixDab2@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Everyone is speculating but we really don’t know.
  
  Reports I’ve seen indicate that people that knew him in high school said that he self-identified as conservative. His father is a registered Libertarian, his mom is a registered Democrat, but there were Trump signs in their yard up until a few weeks ago. He was registered as a member of the Republican party, despite having donated $15 to a progressive voter turnout organization in 2021. Given what we do know, right now, it’s reasonable to infer that he was right of center.
  
  Maybe the state should think about that.
  
  Ideally, yes.
  
  Privatizing prisons nearly always ends up costing more than doing exactly the same thing in a state-run prison would though. Privatization brings in a profit motive, and the desire to make profits means you need to cut something.
  
  You don’t know but you assume he would have been useless?
  
  There’s no indication that he has, or had, any significant medical training, so his claims about going to offer medical assistance specifically seems hollow.
  
  The felony charges will be overturned, and Trump was never convicted of rape.
  
  He’s lost all of the appeals on the defamation case that he’s tried so far, and he keeps digging that pit deeper instead of just shutting his mouth. While it’s true that it’s not a criminal conviction, it is a finding of fact, and he had the opportunity to fight it.
  
  The conviction in New York state is unlikely to be reversed, given that he would need to argue that paying off Ms. Daniels was an official act as a president, and given that most of the underlying actions preceded his election. The payments themselves can’t possibly be an official act, since they were made prior to the election, so he’d have to argue that falsifying business records to cover up his actions as a candidate was somehow an official act after he was elected, which is clearly absolute nonsense. As far as all the other felony trials go, well, why do you think he’s desperate to get re-elected? The mishandling of classified documents was a clear-cut egregious legal violation, and Judge Cannon’s dismissal of the case on very dubious legal grounds is almost certainly going to be reversed. (TBH, given that she’s been reversed so, so many times, I’m surprised Smith hasn’t filed to have a new judge assigned to the case.) Since that all occurred after he was no longer president, the only way that he gets out from under that is by getting elected and either pardoning himself, or having Smith removed from the DoJ. In Georgia, the state legislature has attempted to pass laws allowing them to remove a prosecutor rather than allowing the case to go to trial; I find it quite telling that Trump and his legal team would rather not even allow all the evidence to be made public in a trial.
  
  With literally any other person having this many criminal cases going against them at the same time, in different courts in different jurisdictions, with different prosecutors, 9,999 our of 10,000 people would admit that there was likely criminal activity happening on the part of the defendant. (In point of fact, prior convictions and arrests are not generally admissible in court because they would be prejudicial. So potential jurors would not be able to be told about the multiple criminal cases.) And yet, for Trump, I so often hear special pleading, that in this case it’s just different, somehow.
  
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  - wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Reports I’ve seen indicate that people that knew him in high school said that he self-identified as conservative. His father is a registered Libertarian, his mom is a registered Democrat, but there were Trump signs in their yard up until a few weeks ago. He was registered as a member of the Republican party, despite having donated $15 to a progressive voter turnout organization in 2021. Given what we do know, right now, it’s reasonable to infer that he was right of center.
    
    It is not reasonable to speculate anything at this time. I doubt he put the sign up in the yard. Registration for a party does not mean affiliation to the party. I know many demcorats registered as Republicans to vote in the primary.
    
    Privatizing prisons nearly always ends up costing more than doing exactly the same thing in a state-run prison would though
    
    That isn’t always true. They ran prisons at about 30% cheaper than the government-run prisons while increasing benefits to the inmates. The government is highly inefficient in everything they do.
    
    He’s lost all of the appeals on the defamation case that he’s tried so far
    
    That is false. It has not gone to SCOTUS.
    
    The conviction in New York state is unlikely to be reversed, given that he would need to argue that paying off Ms. Daniels was an official act as a president, and given that most of the underlying actions preceded his election The judge has already said it most likely will be overturned since he has delayed sentencing.
    
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    HunterOfGunners@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Citation needed
    
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