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Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

If the storage “crashes” it doesn’t matter if it’s in the cloud or on-prem.

With the cloud you get two substantial advantages:

the storage is built so it doesn’t break so easily. I trust AWS engineers more than Mike, no matter how cool Mike is to hang out with. Additionally, if the storage breaks while Mike is on vacation we’re screwed, with the cloud you get a whole team 24/7 on it.
you can prevent data loss with backups or multi-region setups with a few clicks/terraform lines. Try telling the PO that you need to rent datacenter space in Helsinki and Singapore for redundancy…

Of course all this costs big bucks, but technically it’s superior, easier and less risky.

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corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
trust AWS engineers more than Mike, no matter how cool Mike is

AWS engineers’ first responsibility is to shareholders

Mike’s responsibility is to your same boss.

They are not the same.

Bonus: you can see Mike’s certs are real.
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- Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It’s not about responsibility (and only the c suite reports to the shareholders, not Mike), it’s about capability, visibility, tooling and availability.
  
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nexusband@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

the storage is built so it doesn’t break so easily. I trust AWS engineers more than Mike, no matter how cool Mike is to hang out with. Additionally, if the storage breaks while Mike is on vacation we’re screwed, with the cloud you get a whole team 24/7 on it.

That’s easily mitigated just following established standards. Redundancy is cheaper than anything else in the aftermath and documentation can be done easy with automation.

you can prevent data loss with backups or multi-region setups with a few clicks/terraform lines. Try telling the PO that you need to rent datacenter space in Helsinki and Singapore for redundancy…

You don’t, you rent rack space in a location far enough away but close enough to get the data in a few hours.

It’s neither superior, easier or less risky, it’s just a shift in responsibility. And in most cases, it’s so expensive that a second or third on site engineer is payed for.

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- Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  And what is simpler and faster, renting rack space in another continent (and buying, shipping, racking and initializing) or editing your terraform file?
  
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  - nexusband@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Why on another continent? Except maybe VDI, some direct calls to some LLM or some insane scales, there’s nothing really that needs those round trip times.
    
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    Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Because the customer demands it.
    
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    ErrorCode@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Also data rules / data privacy. Some things need to have the original in Europe; China & Russia also need their data separated from others.
    
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  - loudwhisper@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Not OP, but they are comparable efforts, especially since it’s a relatively infrequent activity. You can rent dedicated boxes with off-the-sheld hardware almost instantly, if you don’t want to deal with the hardware procurement, and often you can do that via APIs as well. And of course both options are much, much, much cheaper than the Cloud solution.
    
    For sure speed in general is something Cloud provide. I would say it’s a very bad metric though in this context.
    
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    Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    My last customer (global insurance company) provisions several systems a day. Now moving to hundreds via Jenkins. Frequency is environment dependent.
    
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    nexusband@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    I would say it’s a very bad metric though in this context.
    
    Full-ACK.
    
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