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• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m a bit of a hermit myself.

  That seems like the problem.

  religious groups (Knights of Columbus, B’nai Brith, etc.), labor unions, parent–teacher associations, Federation of Women’s Clubs, League of Women Voters, military veterans’ organizations, volunteers with Boy Scouts and the Red Cross, and fraternal organizations (Lions Clubs, Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks, United States Junior Chamber, Freemasonry, Rotary, Kiwanis, etc.

  Honestly wouldn’t miss these if I knew what any of them are. They sound like cults.

  Everett Carll Ladd claimed that Putnam completely ignored existing field studies, most notably the landmark sociological Middletown studies,[8] which during the 1920s raised the same concerns he does today, except the technology being attacked as promoting isolation was radio instead of television and video games

  Sounds like he was reasoning backwards.

  Other critics questioned Putnam’s major finding—that civic participation has been declining. Journalist Nicholas Lemann proposed that rather than declining, civic activity in the US had assumed different forms. While bowling leagues and many other organizations had declined, others like youth soccer leagues had grown.[10]

  And was wrong

  In their 2017 book One Nation After Trump, Thomas E. Mann, Norm Ornstein and E. J. Dionne wrote that the decline of social and civic groups that Putnam documented was a factor in the election of Donald Trump as “many rallied to him out of a yearning for forms of community and solidarity that they sense have been lost.”

  So like I said they yearn for the ethnostate.

  “People who feel on the margins, who don’t always feel included socially, for whatever reason, that those people are more likely to have higher levels of loneliness,”

  So it isn’t social media or erosion of civic institutions or any of that made up nonsense, it’s just the fact that so many people are still bigoted as hell. That figures. I would suggest them the internet because unlike IRL they have block buttons, adblockers etc to cultivate their own better world.

  it’s also possible for them to encounter more hatred and bigotry online than they used to in real life (albeit with hopefully less dire consequences).

  Just block the bigots? Change platforms? It’s ez.

  I don’t think I’m “just measuring” anything. If you want to plug your ears and pretend that I’m not talking about real problems, that’s all fine and dandy. Go ahead about your day and enjoy your dating apps, but social media isn’t all roses.

  You measure more COVID you get more COVID. Then you go “Oh no! It’s on the rise!” and the cycle repeats.

  Social media is shit because of corporate control. The early internet free from it was really good.

  noemamag.com/social-media-messed-up-our-kids-now-…

  This just references the book and makes a bunch of extrapolations. Being ungovernable sounds really cool actually. Also something about the “kids born after 1995” and “coddling” and “colleges making kids distorted” set off my dogwhistle alarms off so I went to look this “magazine” up and would you know it: it’s run by a think tank funded by a NY slumlord billionaire: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berggruen_Institute

  Honestly I expected worse but I wouldn’t really take them at their word for opining on how girls these days only know Xanax, twerking, be bisexual and hot chip before examining real material factors for why everyone is so stressed (hint: it’s housing and everything being fucking expensive and an exploitative scam and has fuck all to do with technology).

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  • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That seems like the problem and what’s creating the perception making you agree with this.

    No, you just personalize everything.

    Again, I’m not making up the statistics. I’m not writing the books or doing the analysis. People who spend their whole career doing this stuff are doing it, and you find it easy to dismiss all of it because you agree with the “criticisms” section of a wikipedia page, have a confirmation bias, and you like the little tech bubble you live in…so it must not be a problem overall if it doesn’t affect you personally.

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    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah you’re not writing the books, you got billionaire think-tanks doing it for you, and so far your statistics don’t actually prove the point you’re trying to make.

      We never measured loneliness in the past 100 yrs in trans and bisexual communities, so we have nothing to compare to, and your single study knows not to make claims about “these days” that you are making here, for all we know it’s exactly like i said - its been worse and now its better, even if it’s still bad.

      Likewise general loneliness studies take into account the increased awareness and openness around mental health and pin it as one of the potential causes as well as the declining purchasing power (a requirement to socialize) and lack of funding for local governments to prop up infrastructure for public spaces as well as a lack of public transport and suburbanization all long before they even touch social media, which is only ever mentioned by MSMs as a scare tactic to clickbait readers, and there’s still the fact that a 100 years ago the exact same arguments about loneliness were being made and likewise blamed on progress and technology like the printing press by reactionaries and yes, there was a moral panic about books getting everyone to stop socializing and only read instead.

      So it’s actually you who personalizes everything, and instead of defending your arguments with logic you Appeal to (somewhat doubtful) authority which doesn’t even back up your point, you draw your own conclusions and project them onto the data - a classic misuse of statistics

      have a confirmation bias

      Yes I do, but so do you, and so far you’ve yet to present anything actually remotely convincing. I don’t have a stake in this personally, I don’t use social media and idc about it, it was a mistake to have it, I just like the internet because I can buy drugs with crypto without the fuzz and glowie opportunists.

      and you like the little tech bubble you live in

      Do pray tell what is this “tech bubble”? Are you going to resort to calling me a techbro now just because I know things you don’t? You do know where you are right?

      Also “bubbles” aren’t real, that whole craze about how we were all in echo chambers on the internet was completely manufactured and thoroughly debunked - it’s actually the opposite

      At this point though if you fall prey to algos that’s on you imo. Just don’t use algorithmic platforms with a profit incentive ez pz we have foss fediverse clients and instances for a reason. Same as complaining about streaming costs, just pirate that shit.

      I left Tumblr because I couldn’t patch out the ads with Vanced and I don’t tolerate advertising in any way shape or form, thankfully on the internet it can be disabled with Sponsorblock, DeArrow, privacy badger, unlock etc., unlike IRL where the psychic damage is unstoppable.

      so it must not be a problem overall if it doesn’t affect you personally.

      Plenty of things don’t affect me personally, the genocide in Gaza, homelessness (though I was close to it), lack of entry level jobs for graduates, COVID, layoffs, medical bills etc. but I believe they are all problems, the mismanagement and exploitation of society by the capitalist class and imperial ambitions make my blood boil.

      I strive to cultivate that hate, to anhiliate the state as my civic duty, but I just like to maintain some basic intellectual honesty while I do so, and not fallback to noble savage and greenwashing fallacies of the anprim ecofash reactionary crowd who just are vaguely upset by aesthetics of modernity.

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      • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I ain’t reading all that.

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