Comment on Policy banning vape sales outside of pharmacies to go before Senate, health minister says

• naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I will could you answer my question about fog machines though?

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  • unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It’s a lot easier to avoid fog machines than it is people vaping. I’ve never seen a fog machine at the train station…

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    • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      That is a separate issue. I’m trying to understand what their specific health concerns are, why it is they feel any amount of vaping represents an antisocial immediate health hazard distinct from say driving while unhealthy, tired or whatever or taking drugs known to increase violent tendencies like alcohol.

      There is something they feel is different and I’m trying to unpick what it is. Like is there a specific chemical they believe even trace vaping exceeds safe limits of? a class like VOCs but are they also afraid to be around a stove etc? Is it fear of lack of regulations meaning unknown contamination could be present? Is it lack of precedent of characterised harms? (e.g. standing next to a stove while cooking seems about as unhealthy as being near most* vapes but we tend to be comfortable with poorly ventilated stoves and not with vapes because stoves are boring).

      They unfortunately seem to thing my curiosity represents some hostility, despite having stated that I am in favour of regulation and basically just have a couple of quibbles with this law ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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      • Ilandar@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        They unfortunately seem to thing my curiosity represents some hostility

        Last time we had a disagreement you labelled me obtuse, asked if I was thick, then called me a “right wing troll” who was interacting in “bad faith”. In this thread you asked for sources, asked for more sources, refused to read any of them and instead repeatedly deflected with a whataboutism. So no, I don’t think you’re “just curious” and I think it is pretty understandable why I would disengage from the conversation when you appear to be taking it down exactly the same route again.

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      • unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        driving while unhealthy, tired or whatever or taking drugs known to increase violent tendencies like alcohol.

        If it was up to me, alcohol would be banned as well but such a ban would be largely impractical and there would also be a large black market formed just by how easy the stuff is to make—it literally used to be a learning exercise in year 12 chemistry in QLD. When it comes to driving when unhealthy or tired, there is generally a choice to not drive and if you do crash you will almost always be identified as being at fault. So it’s not like there is no recourse for those poor decisions. With vapes the user cannot stop anytime they want, they’re addictive and there are companies exploiting that.

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  • Ilandar@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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