Comment on Even Apple finally admits that 8GB RAM isn't enough

• echodot@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yeah but if you’re only putting 6 GB of RAM on then you’re also going to be constantly querying the hard drive. So any performance game you get from soldering is lost by going all the way to the hard drive every 3 microseconds.

  It’s only better performance on paper in reality there’s no real benefit. If you can run an application entirely entirely within the 6 GB of RAM, and assuming you’re not running anything else, then maybe you get better performance.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    And that’s the idea. Soldering memory is an engineering decision. How much to solder is a marketing decision. Since users can’t easily add more, marketing can upsell on more RAM.

    It’s not “on paper,” the RAM itself is performing better vs socketed RAM. Whether the system runs better depends on the configuration, as in, did you order enough RAM.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I can’t tell if you’re a stooge or if you really think that. I hope you are stooge, because otherwise that’s a really stupid position you’ve decided to take and you clearly don’t actually understand the issue.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’m pretty sure I do understand the issue. Here are some facts (and an article to back it up):

        1. putting memory closer to the CPU improves performance due to less latency - from 96GB/s -> 200 (M1) or 400 (M1 Max) GB/s
        2. customers can’t easily solder on more RAM
        3. Apple’s RAM upgrades are way more expensive than socketed options on the market

        And here’s my interpretation/guesses:

        1. marketing sees 1 & 2, and sees an opportunity to do more of 3
        2. marketing probably asked engineering what the bare minimum is, and they probably said 8GB (assuming web browsing and whatnot only), though 16GB is preferable (that’s what I’d answer)
        3. marketing sets the minimum @ 8GB, banking on most users who need more than the basics to buy more, or for users to buy another laptop sooner when they realize they ran out of RAM (getting after-sale RAM upgrades is expensive)

        So:

        • using soldered RAM is an engineering decision due to improved performance (double socketed RAM w/ Intel on M1, quadruple on M1 Max)
        • limiting RAM to 8GB is a marketing decision
        • if you don’t have enough RAM, that doesn’t mean the RAM isn’t performing well, it means you don’t have enough RAM

        Using socketed RAM won’t fix performance issues related to running out of RAM, that issue is the same regardless. Only adding RAM will fix those performance issues, and Apple could just as easily make “special” RAM so you can’t buy socketed RAM on the regular market anyway (e.g. they’d need a different memory standard anyway due to Unified Memory).

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