Comment on Elsevier

• Rolando@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  There are a couple things we can do:

  • decline to review for the big journals. why give them free labor? Do academic service in other ways.
  • if you’re organizing a workshop or conference, put the papers online for free. If you’re just participating and not organizing, then suggest they put the papers online for free. Here’s an example: aclanthology.org If that’s too time-consuming, use: arxiv.org

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  • RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Fully agree but I can tell you about point 1 that there enough gullible scientists in the world that see nothing wrong with the current system.

    They will gadly pick up free review when Nature comes knocking, since its “such an honour” for such a reputable paper.

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    • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Such a reputable paper that’s no doubt accepted dozens of ChatGPT papers by now. Wow, how prestigious!

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  • xantoxis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Something else we can do: regulate. Like every other corrupt industry in the history of this country, we need the force of law to fix it–and for pretty much all the same reasons. People worked at Triangle Shirtwaist because they had to, not because they thought it was a great place to work.

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    • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Totally agree

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• angrymouse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  100% ppl need stop thinking big changes can be made “by individuals”, this kind of stuff needs regulation and state alternatives or is impossible to break as an average worker.

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  • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Exactly. Asking some grad student to take on these ancient, corrupt publishing systems is ridiculous

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  • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    applied for a grant last month, now to finalize grant you need to publish things in open access format. (EU country; there’s a push for all publicly funded research to be open access, with it being a requirement from year ??? on, not sure when, but soon) there’s some special funding set aside just for open access fees, which is still rotten because these leeches still stand to profit. then, if you miss that, then there’s an agreement where my uni pays a selection of publishers to let in certain number of articles per year open access, which is basically the same thing but with different source of funding (not from grant, but straight from ministry)

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• qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Funding agencies have huge power here; demanding that research be published in OA journals is perhaps a good start (with limits on $ spent publishing, perhaps).

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  • blindsight@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    This is probably the avenue to shut this down. If finding is contingent on making the publication freely available to download, and that comes from a major government funding source, then this whole scan could die essentially overnight.

    That would need to somehow get enough political support to pass muster in the first place and pass the inevitable legal challenge that follows, too. So, really, this is just another example of regulatory capture ruining everything.

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  • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    i hear you, but this leaves this massive gaping hole filled by predatory journals

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• maegul@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I’m sympathetic, but to a limit.

  There are a lot of academics out there with a good amount of clout and who are relatively safe. I don’t think I’ve heard of anything remotely worthy on these topics from any researcher with clout, publicly at least. Even privately (I used to be in academia), my feeling was most don’t even know how to think and talk about it, in large part because I don’t think they do think and talk about it all.

  And that’s because most academics are frankly shit at thinking and engaging on collective and systematic issues. Many just do not want to, and instead want to embrace the whole “I live and work in an ideal white tower disconnected from society because what I do is bigger than society”. Many get their dopamine kicks from the publication system and don’t think about how that’s not a good thing. Seriously, they don’t deserve as much sympathy as you might think … academia can be a surprisingly childish place. That the publication system came to be at all is proof of that frankly, where they were all duped by someone feeding them ego-dopamine hits. It’s honestly kinda sad.

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  • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I’m sympathetic but to a limit

    That’s all I’m saying 🤷‍♂️

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• iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  more like the only way to float, not just move up. good luck getting grants without papers in this scum of the Earth publishers

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  • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Too true

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