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It was always socialist. That was blindingly obvious even from the days of TOS. Remember, Star wars universe everyone had just come out of the third world war, practically everything had been destroyed and there was virtually no infrastructure left, people were willing to take pretty much any kind of government going.

Then replicators were invented and once you’ve got that it’s pretty difficult to have anything other than a socialist government or a dictatorship.

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jimhensonslostpuppet@startrek.website ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Star Wars?

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- chahk@beehaw.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It’s a trap!
  
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MudMan@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You know the irony of this interpretation? By canon, replicators are energy to matter conversion devices. Basically a 3D printer using relativity to poof atoms into existence from an energy source.

Replicators are straight-up the most expensive way to make anything. Using that technology to make you a cup of tea is the most inefficient use of any resource put on screen in media history. It's absurd. The notion that instead of heating up water you would go ahead and make the atoms out of energy is so much worse than just filling in a space station's worth of water and carrying it with you into space just to keep Picard's Earl Grey habit going.

It's not the replicator at all that drives the post-scarcity, it's whatever nonsense antimatter generator stuff dilithium is enabling where they get infinite energy forever. Although we know dilithium is a limited resource, since they don't seem to just replicate some when they need it, so... somebody should do the math there and figure out how expensive all those Janeway coffees actually are.

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- echodot@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Right but they get all that energy from atom to energy conversion. The starships get that from antimatter reactors but I’m pretty certain that planet-based installations probably just put a bunch of trees and gravel in as base material, convert that to energy and then convert that back into useful atoms.
  
  If you can do matter conversion, then power generation is almost certainly trivially easy.
  
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  - MudMan@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah, I think in canon the curvy bit at the front of the ship (or the nacelles, sometimes) is just gathering dust to then burn into energy. It gets trickier with the transporter, because in theory the dust is going into a matter/antimatter thing, but if the transporter is fueling itself from the body it's disintegrating... well, where's the antimatter?
    
    I think in their minds the transporter isn't doing that, and is instead taking energy to both turn a person into a pattern and then build the pattern back into a person. Seems like a waste, but I guess the raw matter isn't the real concern here.
    
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    echodot@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The transports don’t use antimatter. And too much or is just used for power generation the transport has just run on that power.
    
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- awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  My headcanon is that they have feedstocks and are just teleporting atoms around and gluing them together, maybe adding and electron here and there. If anything it’s the most consistent use of their transporters.
  
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  - MudMan@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    But we know that's not how transporters work. If that was the case you wouldn't be able to get "accidents" where you end up with two copies of the same guy. The transporter must work like the replicator, not the other way around.
    
    Also, that doesn't work with some of the stuff they say, like how they don't replicate anything alive, and so food does taste noticeably different. Plus... you know, no massive farm deck anywhere on the Enterprise and no transwarp to beam that in from a planet, so... we're going to have to accept this stuff may be just handwavy bulls#!t at some point.
    
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    awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    But we know that’s not how transporters work
    
    Do we? Transporters are magic. They’ve never been logically consistent. Half the episodes either would have resolved in 5 minutes or never happened if they were.
    
    this stuff may be just handwavy bulls#!t at
    
    Fully agreed. Just like transporters :P
    
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- EarMaster@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Maybe it’s a combination of both the abundance of energy combined with the ability to create almost everything out of it…
  
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