Comment on Climate activists glue themselves to Munich airport runway
InternetPerson@lemmings.world 1 month agoa. self-mangling is a good way to discourage sympathy or participation b. disrupting a bunch of random travelers, and actually endangering them […] not helpful in getting sympathy for the cause… just press coverage… which will be mostly negative. […]
it’s so fucking stupid and counter productive
The jury is still out on that. I’ve found research and surveys pointing in both directions. The positive and negative effects of such forms of protest are not sufficiently studied yet. Also historically, there are good examples for both.
Therefore, I wouldn’t judge yet.
actually endangering them because planes are in the air and need to land
From what I know about that activist group, they always ensure safety. On street blockages, they make room for ambulances, they also inform emergency services.
I haven’t looked it up for this case, but I can imagine, that they considered this.
I think, planes usually have enough fuel to land at another airport for such cases. There are emergency protocolsmror stuff like that anyway. So no one is really endagered here. Just inconvenienced.
c. there are a lot more direct ways to cause disruption, and a lot more sympathetic, less self-harming tactics to get press coverage
What do you have in mind?
e. did i mention it even fucks up the activists physically!!!
Not really though.
Despite that, every member knows the risk. They know what they are doing. They are not stupid and think about such protest actions thoroughly.
xor@infosec.pub 1 month ago
i don’t need to present an alternative to glueing yourself to things….
the jury is not out on that… and i don’t really care about your opinions pretending like you’ve read research about how effective gluing yourself to things it….
it’s honestly pretty fucking evil of you to promote it.
nobody should hurt themselves to spread your political message.
InternetPerson@lemmings.world 1 month ago
I’ve had this kind of talk a lot of times. And when it actually comes to “those alternatives”, which critics say activists should pursue instead, one common reaction is silence, as they are lacking ideas about those.
I’ll leave you with that.
As far as I know, it is. If there are new studies, which I don’t know of and which come to a clear conclusion, I’d be thankful if you could link them here.
Well, that’s your decision. If you don’t believe in facts, then don’t. But then it’s not surprising if people call you out on that, if you don’t provide proof for your position.
If you’re interested – which you don’t seem to be – I’ll happily share the studies, historical examples, reports and surveys I’ve collected on that topic.
I didn’t promote it. Maybe you can explain what gave you the impression?
I agree that nobody should hurt themselves. Although I can understand if people see themselves driven to such measures out of desperation and/or in order to prevent worse.
Regarding that activist group “Letzte Generation”, I couldn’t find any reports about injuries due to glueing.
Also I wonder where you get the “your political message” from as I didn’t make any statement about my political stance on that.
xor@infosec.pub 1 month ago
you’re an idiot.
i’m not taking your bait.
go glue yourself to something then, show me how much you’re not just talking out of your ass.
shill.
InternetPerson@lemmings.world 1 month ago
That took a very uncivilised turn.
Why are you so angry?