Comment on Google has an idea to prevent phone scams, but it'll mean allowing its AI to listen in on your calls

efstajas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Im sorry but are you high or something? You clearly understand enough about computers to know what those words mean, but you didnt even consider that google phones can do whatever they want with data thats “on-device”. Every device with google services has a root backdoor. Ofcourse they will gather all that data, because why wouldnt they? They can also gather it on demand, because it will surely get logged on-device and can be extracted at any time.

  Also even if they wouldnt collect the data, its a fucking horrible idea in the first place. Sure lets outsource trust in our communications to some shitty machine learning algorithm that is dumber than a fucking toddler.

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  • efstajas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Before I get deeper into this argument, the main point I was trying to make is that people are clearly assuming based on the headline that the transcript analysis happens in the cloud, and aren’t aware of them at least claiming that it’s fully on-device. If Google wants to steal phone transcripts, they can do this already, this feature doesn’t change anything about it.

    Other than this… I know that people especially here are super wary of google and their privacy-related claims for very good reason. I am too. I know this is a very sensitive topic. But realistically, for this particular discussion…

    “Ofcourse they will gather all that data, because why wouldnt they?”

    There are so, SO many reasons why a massive company like Google, especially one that is constantly under scrutiny for their privacy practices, wouldn’t secretly record / analyze / store / whatever private phone conversations and tbh most probably just aren’t. There is immense regulation around this topic in practically all markets they operate in. If Google was found straight up sending transcripts of phone conversations to their servers without very explicit consent (aka more than some clause in ToS somewhere) it’d realistically be the biggest scandal in Google’s history, and likely significantly hurt, if not kill, at least their phone division. In many markets just the recording of phone conversations is already illegal, and Google can’t just do it anyway based on some ToS clauses — it’s just illegal.

    I’m not trying to say that I don’t believe they do this because they’re good people or anything, but because from a pure business standpoint it’d be immensely risky for gathering data that is also hardly usable in practice due to how sensitive it is. The circle of people that would even be allowed to know of its existence internally would have to be tiny and extremely trusted to prevent leaks.

    The truth is that they can amass so much data through other potentially dubious yet totally legal ways already, so an immense and illegal overstep of privacy convention like this is just unnecessary.

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    • bobotron@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This is a really well written response and kudos for talking a rational argument up on the Internet

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  • EnderMB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    While I do agree with the premise of your comment, most countries (including the US) have strict and long-standing laws on recording phone conversations. Even if Google wanted to do this, I can see it being an absolute nightmare to egress data from a device onto external storage.

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    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Unless it doesnt count as “recording” because the information is being transformed by the model in a way that keeps the law from applying to it. But yeah, it will be interesting to see how this might go in court.

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  • dev_null@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Sure lets outsource trust in our communications to some shitty machine learning algorithm that is dumber than a fucking toddler.

    And it really doesn’t need to be smarter than that, to show a “banks will never asks you to transfer money to another account, this is likely a scam” dialog when the speaker claiming to be from your bank tells you to do so. This will save lots of vulnerable and older people from getting scammed. If you think that’s a horrible idea then I’m interested in your reasoning. Over $10 billion per year is lost to scams, making a dent in that is amazing.

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    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      If you cant understand why trusting google with anything (let alone a complete black box inside your phone) is a bad idea, there is no point in having a discussion with you.

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      • dev_null@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I wanted to understand, but it looks like you have no arguments and prefer to just condede your point, fair enough.

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  • solo@kbin.earth ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Of course they will gather all that data, because why wouldnt they?

    But they promised...

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    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      pwetty pwease dond shawe my data 👉👈

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  • KuroiKaze@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Actually from what I’ve seen Google has moved hard towards reducing gathered data and encouraging play store apps to use less permissions and data.

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