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bamboo@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I think it’s incredibly naïve to think that because we’ve hit a boundary on one particular aspect of LLMs that the technology has peaked as a whole. There are lots of ways to improve LLMs that aren’t just increasing the parameter size, for example there’s been an uptick in smaller models that are optimized to run on client devices without large GPUs. There is probably a future where we have small 3-7B models that are competitive with today’s best 70B models, but can run in real time on any smartphone. We’ll have larger context windows, allowing LLMs to work on larger problems. And we’ll have better techniques for getting high quality information out of LLMs, there are already adversarial methods where two LLMs hold a debate on a subject that have proven more accurate and comprehensive data is possible. They’ll also continue to be embedded into different places in software that make them more useful, not just like a chatbot that loves in its own world.

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barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

There are lots of ways to improve LLMs that aren’t just increasing the parameter size

The paper isn’t about parameter size but the need for exponentially more training data to get a mere linear increase in output performance.

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magic_lobster_party@kbin.run ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Improvements are made all the time. You can’t feed a very large SVM the same data as transformer networks and expect it to perform the same. Transformers are used because they can more easily learn complicated patterns with less data.

I think I’ve read somewhere that neural networks with only one hidden layer can theoretically predict anything (if the hidden layer is large enough), but an incredible amount of data is required for it to do so, so it’s not practical.

Over time other models will be discovered that can make better use of the training data.

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Murvel@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What you mentioned is assumed video and paper in question. The main argument being that no matter our computational techniques, the diminishing returns in predictive precision is reached far sooner than we achieve general intelligence.

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- boyi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  no matter our computational techniques, the diminishing returns in predictive precision is reached far sooner than we achieve general intelligence
  
  Thar very bold presumption. How can they be so sure of this, that any future models can tackle the issue? have they got proof or something.
  
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  - Murvel@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No, they just calculate with increased size of the training roster… it’s not that complicated. Which is a fair presumption as that is how we’ve increased the predictive precision so far.
    
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  - technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It seems far more bold to presume that we’ll achieve general intelligence any time soon when technology is nowhere close.
    
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- Womble@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  No the argument is current techniques give logarithmic returns in data size, which is bad. But it said nothing about other potential techniques or made any suggestion that this was a general result.
  
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  - Murvel@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Well obviously they cannot rule out techniques no one has though of but likewise they obviously accounted for what they deemed to be within the realm of possibility
    
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