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A person makes a decision. If that decision is almost certainly going to result in the deaths of children, it is the wrong decision. You will never face a simpler moral scenario than this.

People can argue about justifications in good faith, of course… although ironically in this case, we can’t even do that, since we both know that bobbing Gaza to the tune of 90% civilian casualties does nothing to protract the conflict and everything to exacerbate it.

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DarkGamer@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
A person makes a decision. If that decision is almost certainly going to result in the deaths of children, it is the wrong decision. You will never face a simpler moral scenario than this.

It sounds like you're suggesting that Israel should let Hamas kill Israeli children and civilians uncontested because they are hiding behind their own. Long-Term/big picture, I fail to see how that improves anyone's safety besides Hamas.

People can argue about justifications in good faith, of course… although ironically in this case, we can’t even do that, since we both know that bombing Gaza to the tune of 90% civilian casualties does nothing to ameliorate the conflict and everything to exacerbate it.

As far as I know, the only casualty figures we have so far are from Hamas, and recent analysis seems to indicate that they are not credible.

According to figures I've seen,
Israel's civilian casualty rate is significantly lower than 90%. 90% is the average for civilian casualties in urban combat scenarios involving explosives, according to the UN.

Also, this isn’t a war. Wars are fought between nations, and Israel does not recognize Palestine’s sovereignty. Gaza has no self-determination. There’s no government. It is a prison full of children. An abomination that nobody living in Gaza created, perpetuated from outside.

A nation is different than a country, afaik no one disputes that Palestinians are a nation, but its statehood is hotly contested.

According to Google:

Nation: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory
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- yeahiknow3@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Read the opening paragraph you quoted. It says nothing about Israel. It is abstract. Ask yourself, “am I making a decision that will result in the death of more children?” If the answer is yes, you are making the wrong decision.
  
  If you can’t follow that simple logic, you are insane.
  
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  - DarkGamer@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    A nation isn’t a country? Tut tut.
    
    It literally isn't.
    
    A nation is a group of people with a common language, history, culture, and (usually) geographic territory. A state is an association of people characterized by formal institutions of government, including laws; permanent territorial boundaries; and sovereignty (political independence). A state may comprise one or more nations (as did the Roman Empire and Austria-Hungary), and a nation may be represented in (or ruled by) one or more (usually contiguous) states, as in the early modern principalities of Germany. A state comprising or dominated by a single nation is often called a nation-state.
    
    I read citations, if you cared to provide any.
    
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