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OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I don’t know the relevant laws there - but I am certain that an autopsy would have been done? Beyond that, what more could be done? If that means a more expensive autopsy, then yeah they should do that - even Boeing might agree on that point, to help absolve them, even if they did somehow give the bacteria to the guy, but like if they were confident that it could not be traced to them in that manner.

Speaking of, even if they were guilty in this second case, that’s a very different thing than someone being able to prove it. “Innocent until proven guilty” is a foundational bedrock principle in the USA, and we cannot simply throw that away without losing something precious.

And with them being military contractors, they probably have classified status to where local police can’t just go subpoenaing their records willy nilly. I could be wrong though. Then again, if they are used to dealing with the likes of e.g. literal Russian spies, then surely they would be smart enough to not leave a paper trail on something like this to begin with?

But the first guy should already be enough to start an investigation. The second guy… I dunno what that one means, maybe yes but also might not be.

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bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Dude, this thread is hopeless. I’m not even responding to them anymore.

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- OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Tbf, you did come out fairly condescending and combative, telling people what to do and how wrong they are, and even essentially calling them names. Putting aside being correct or not, people don’t take kindly to being told in that manner!:-P
  
  But it’s not all bad, and that separates this place from Reddit. The latter I just never visit anymore, b/c there is simply no longer any point to do so. In contrast, this place is full of crap… but it’s not all crap, and that’s… well that’s… something, I guess:-).
  
  Also, I kid - it’s generally significantly better than crap - it definitely contains crap, but it’s also got a lot of good stuff too.:-)
  
  This post though is probably a lost cause indeed:-P.
  
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  - bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You’re right, I should have used a little more honey on this one. For what it’s worth, the comment I wrote before it was not quite as antagonistic. I think I’m just so surprised at how readily everybody slipped on tinfoil hats in this thread. It’s like watching how the right handled Seth Rich. That family didn’t deserve deserve that, and no investigation any group could ever do will ever convince them Hillary Clinton didn’t order his death. It’s not right.
    
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    OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    As Lemmy grows, it will attract all kinds of people. And many - e.g. lemmygrad.ml and the person who wrote the Lemmy code to begin with - are outright tankies (as far as I understand that word, it seems to mean: die-hard communists, aka such extreme leftists that they have wrapped around to becoming authoritarian rightists except with left-wing talking points, which ofc they do not see the irony in that, thinking that the correctness of their cause entitles them to act in an identical manner as the “other side” that they purportedly despise).
    
    And like Reddit, some are literal and actual children, or at least younger people, so there’s that to consider.
    
    But aside from all of that, people are people, and that’s just the way it is, I suppose. And even on top of that, sometimes as we dig we find that we have more in common than first appeared, so some of it is pure communication style. e.g. someone saying “let’s not hastily jump to conclusions” and someone saying “hey, we should investigate this!” might be saying the same thing, in a roundabout way. Plus too many react to the “tone” of a message more than its content, and on and on it goes…
    
    All we can do is focus on our own parts that we ourselves have control over:-).
    
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Tryptaminev@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There can be far more done than just an autopsy in the second case. Is there a register who has entered and left the building? Is there camera footage showing anyone accessing the room that had no business being there? Is there anything unusual in the nurses schedules? Were all procedures followed according to the rules, especially sanitary rules?

These are all things that should be investigated. If they show no signs of irregularities then the case can be closed. If there is irregularities, then these need to be investigated further, and then the question of motive comes into play, where there is one party with a very strong motive to silence the guy.

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- OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I presumed all of that would already be done. Then again, perhaps not. Then again, a giant military industrial contractor may have ways around such anyway, which doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t look, though either way I would expect the situation to at least superficially look innocent.
  
  You could write a letter, maybe get a petition signed to back it up, to the hospital and ask that their internal security do such? Or the police in that local area.
  
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