Comment on recruiting theocracy
thesmokingman@programming.dev 1 month agoIt’s pretty fucking childish to label metaphysics “childish.” Don’t conflate the shitty faith that gets shoved down our throats with the average person just trying to establish meaning (until their search for meaning infringes on your rights, of course). It genuinely disgusts me when people of one metaphysical persuasion are so rabidly antagonistic and make sweeping generalizations they’d be super offended about jf someone of a different metaphysical persuasion made about them. Adulthood involves maturation and maturation involves empathy. Get some.
Lemming6969@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Eww. The foundation that religion rests on is always childish and destructive. It is not possible for anyone who has magical thinking in one realm to not also make terrible decisions in other realms, like voting or other public policy. So that shit always infringes on others.
thesmokingman@programming.dev 1 month ago
So prove all metaphysics wrong. Your claim is “all religion is wrong” so you have the burden of proof. If you can’t do it, you’re unable to draw these conclusions. Note that this is loosely equivalent to someone saying “my religion is correct” so you’re going to face the same uphill battle those folks face. It’s a ridiculous and unfounded claim.
I also take umbrage at your unjustified personal attacks on some of my peers from academia and my professional life whose search for meaning has led them to vastly different conclusions than me. Some of the best people I know have faiths I think are dumb yet agree with me on empathy and class struggle. You’ve not empirically proven you have any high ground, much less the moral or societal ones, so you’re really firing half-cocked here.
Lemming6969@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I understand what you’re doing, but that’s not how that argument works. You can’t even prove metaphysics exists or is a fruitful endeavor (which is hotly argued as irrelevant in academic circles) let alone that the burden is actually on magical believers to justify themselves, not the other way around. Fence sitting while using the kind of language you use tells me you’re a pseudointellectual, which will fool many on here, hence the voting trend, but not all of us.
thesmokingman@programming.dev 1 month ago
I don’t think you understand logic. You’re saying “all religion is wrong.” This is a stronger claim than “this specific religion is correct.” See, if someone says “there’s a giant kettle in space,” they need to justify that position. If someone else comes along and says “not only is there no giant kettle in space, there are no valid theories other than my perspective,” now the burden of proof is on the larger claim that everything is wrong and only this singular perspective is correct because, surprise surprise, it’s a repackaging of the first argument with the added attack on everything else.
I’m not on the fence. If you’re not a determinist and you believe in science you’re an idiot. I also understand others might have found meaning in some other way, no matter how dumb it is.
I tried to stick to smaller words this time. Was that better?